.50 Caliber "super" weapon on 60 Minutes.

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Using a 50 cal doesn't seem cost effective or terrorists. They can buy a gun that costs several thousand dollars to purchase and several dollars a round to shoot. Or they could sneak in 200 dollar AKs from some third world country. Oh or they could buy stuff available to anyone in any hardware store to build bombs.
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True. On the other hand, Barretts have been used by terrorists in the past, specifically by the IRA to shoot at British Army soldiers and helicopters. The Barretts were legally purchased in the US and then smuggled into Northern Ireland.
 
The Barretts were legally purchased in the US and then smuggled into Northern Ireland.
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If they can smuggle things out of the US and in to Ireland they could do the same thing with any other two countries. If they can't find what they need here they will find it some where else.
 
I think Barret is making a big mistake. These folks have a tremendous ability to take your words out of context and make you look like an @ss. He wouldn't be the first to fall into that trap. I'm going to watch just to study their methods.
 
Smart and dumb move on Barretts part....you have to ask the simple question, "do I have more to gain or more to loose doing the interview?"

Negative side: draws more attention and negative publicity from people who may have been indifferent. Other local governments and cities may view this as a new crisis and take further action to restrict ownership. Newspapers and electronic media looking for fresh material will generate more panic and concern where none existed before. Brings future litigation which could affect other types of firearm ownership.

Positive side: Creates a fear amoung gun owners that these may not be available much longer, prices will rise along with demand. Barretts market with the military and law enforcement is still secure, he now creates a greater market on the civilian side akin to what the AWB did, hence panic buying. Making a public stand rally's some gun owners who were previously neutral.

A politician once commented about the publishing giant William Randolph Hearst....."never pick an arguement with someone who buys ink by the barrel".
 
What SeeBS is doing is merely the wave of the future. Gun control war will be fought over the airways on a national basis.

If you believe in gun control your chances of success in congress are minimal. Courts are something less than helpful. Fighting it out state by state is an expensive and low success potential. Gun control reigns in the states where its chances are high. Others will be difficult to change.

What does it leave? National pitch through the only organ powerful enought to suggest change. . . national media.

I look forward to a steady drum beat about <insert evil of the day>.
 
Take a look at the preview on CBS's web site....it's pretty obvious where they are going with this.

Quote Barrett: "It's a target rifle. It's a toy...a high-end adult recreational toy." (unfortunate choice of words).

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/01/06/60minutes/main665257.shtml

Offense wins games every time...

Diaz's strategy is to go on the offense using this piece to start a national movement and legislation to ban the 50. Gives him a forum and publicity he never had before.

This now puts Barrett and other gun owners on the defense to stop him. How many points do we put on our score board by doing this interview?
 
If they can smuggle things out of the US and in to Ireland they could do the same thing with any other two countries. If they can't find what they need here they will find it some where else.
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That wasn't the point of your original post though. (Not that you're not correct in theory, you understand, just that in practise they've brought stuff in from the states).
There's also the point that it means that Barrett's claim that his rifles have never been used in a crime is technically inaccurate - they've never been used in a crime in the US. Which I know is a small point to someone living in the US, but to those of us living elsewhere, isn't always such a little thing.
 
True. On the other hand, Barretts have been used by terrorists in the past, specifically by the IRA to shoot at British Army soldiers and helicopters. The Barretts were legally purchased in the US and then smuggled into Northern Ireland.
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I'd like to see some proof other than just presuming this is true.

Furthermore what has and has not been used in crime isn't an arguement for why American citizens should have their freedom stolen from them. If you can argue that a .50 BMG rifle should be banned because it's so dangerous you just made the arguement for a ban on all firearms.
 
I refuse to watch 60 Minutes or the CBS Nightly News or any other bit of "journalism" cranked out by those losers.

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I watched it. It made me want one, bad.

It also made me angry when that liar said that no records were kept of purchases. I guess I can stop filling out those federal forms when I buy a gun, then.
 
I watched it. It's amazing that Diaz can't connect the dots. A four year old can understand this: terrorists don't have to buy $7k guns in the US, and criminals don't want to lug them around. This arseface uses the excuse of "well, it COULD happen, even though it hasn't in this country since the introduction of these rifles," when there are other MUCH more suitable weapons for terrorists to use.
 
Can anyone else besides me, not access the web site since the show aired?
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Barretts website works for me, it's just extremely slow. Probably a ton of people hitting it after the show aired.
 
I spent Sunday evening taking an inventory on deer. Time much better spent than watching anything the tube has to show.
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I like how Barrett put Diaz in his place... he said how Diaz goes around saying what terrorists COULD do but haven't and he's just giving ideas to BGs, hoping that someone does something he talks about.
 
I'm about to sit down and watch it, removed everything from the coffee table. Don't need any ammo to break the TV with when I see that moron Diaz and have to listen to his drivel.

One side note, if you plan on sending an email to the Communist Broadcasting Station, be POLITE. If you use curse words and call them names they will just use it against us.
 
I watched it, nothing new. Tommy boy spouting his usual lies, Ronnie came off good other then the "toy" remark. Looks like NY will be next in line to ban them, to many negatives there.
 
Biggerhammer may have been taken off line or crashed, I can't seem to get to the discussion board, anyone else?
 
.50 cal story on See BS

Ed Bradley: El Cubo, nice earing too. (Ugh!)

1. Bradley did NOT identify Tom the Toad from VPC. He was identified as a anti-gun activist. Nice piece of cover-up work Bradley. Why didn't they identify him from the VPC and explain VPCs agenda??? :fire:

The VPCs own webpage states: The VPC approaches gun violence as a public health issue, advocating that firearms be held to the same health and safety standards that virtually all other consumer products must meet. Guns and tobacco are the only two consumer products for which there is no federal oversight for health and safety.

Yep, 'cept the Constitution's 2nd Amendment explicitly gives Americans the RIGHT to keep and bear firearms, no Federal regulation necessary.


2. Bradley didn't challenge the Toad's comment that gun purchase records are not kept. That's bull?????. The DOJ in California requires the FFL who sold you the gun to keep records of the sale. Forgot how long they have to keep if for but I think I was told 7 years. :eek:

3. Closing comment by "earring boy" took a swipe at AG Ashcroft's decision to keep gun records for 24 hours instead of 90 days. I believe the reason for that is the modernization of the computer system used by the Fed DOJ: They are now tied into State records, so why keep the same record when its unnecessary. Gratuitous slap at GWB. :cuss:
 
FFL's have to keep their records (4473) forever! When they retire they have to send everything to the BATFE, if they sell the biz they have to give the new owner all their paperwork.

LIES!!!
 
It's not just California, pardner. The FEDERAL gov't makes all FFLs keep their 4473s for TWENTY (20) years. If said FFL goes out of business or transfers his/her/their FFL they have to send their 4473s to the BATFE headquarters in D.C. post friggin haste.

Something to chew on.
 
This ban should definitely cut down on the use of 5-foot-long, thirty-pound, $4,000+ rifles in convenience store stickups and drive-by shootings.

As a friend once said while showing a customer a McBros .50: "Anybody who can afford one of these things is a lot more likely to be sitting on the board of the local bank than they are to be robbing it." :uhoh:
 
What was the bit where Barrett said that use of the ammo or something was illegal, Bradley began to say something to the effect of "the fact that is illegal won't stop criminals", walking right into the trap where Barrett says something like "Right, and laws won't prevent them from obtaining the rifles". I just sat there stunned that he had set the trap so neatly. :D
 
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