Snap Shooting 101....

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It was brush hunting at its nastiest. Bill and I were following Bill's middleaged and portly German Shorthair, Dolf, through a creek bottom stuffed with blackberry vines, poison ivy, and greenbriars.Saplings cut overhead view to zilch. Only the fact that we took an incredible mixed bag of birds from it over the years kept us going. Besides,we were young, tough and used to this. Still, we never hunted it without leaving a blood sacrifice on the thorns.

Dolf got birdy in some stuff that made me long for a machete, and when Bill said Dolf was on point, I could see him but not the dog. As I fought through the stickers, I heard the whir a woodcock gives when it vacates the premises.

Bill genuflected,dropping his right knee to the ground. He twisted his upper body almost 90 degrees and mounted his old A-5 with the barrel pointing straight up. It spoke as the butt touched his shoulder and the timberdoodle crumpled. Dolf never retrieved birds, but would find them and stand over them until one of us picked them up.Since this one landed maybe 10 feet from his owner, Dolf just sat down and waited while Bill picked the bird up.

I gaped in amazement. Then we both grinned, and I asked what made him do that.

Billy answered it was the only way to get the shot off.


That's snap shooting, though folks will disagree on what else is. Snap shooting is a close range, very fast method that either works well or VERY badly. Called Poke and Hope by its detractors, it's a specialized technique that should be learned by newer shotgunners.

See bird, shoot same,now.

Conscious thought is not involved. It's all down in the synapses and learned reflexes. Any lead is dealt with by pattern spread, or by the swing,which all takes place as the shotgun is mounted.

Quail hunters do it. So do grouse and woodcock hunters. Most good shotgunners do it sometimes.

It's a good skill to have, coupled with the experience and judgement to know when to use it.That's the tough part.

When snap shooting works for me, it's within 20 yards or so. Angles are not extreme,the target isn't moving at warp speed and the shot MUST be taken quickly. Snap shooting done slowly is Oxymoronic and not the best system.

Here's how I do it, though I make no claim to fame at it.

First, the hardware.

This is a case of fit being paramount, the thing HAS to shoot where you're looking. While Bill's Polychoked A-5 was as noseheavy as a pig on a snow shovel, usually best results come from a neutral balance or even a little muzzle lightness. I've done good work here with a couple doubles, shorter barreled than most, and naturally riot barreled 870s. This is Open Choke Land, so even Cylinder will work. Chokes Modified or tighter mean misses or mincemeat.

Now, and more importantly, the software.

The standard carry of Port Arms creates some problems here. Lots of waving in several directions happens during the mount. While P/A is an effective, safe carry for the field,when action is expected far better to have the shotgun pointed more to the front. If the situation or your preference is to have the muzzle elevated, one has to more or less pivot the shotgun around the forward hand during the mount. Some do well at this.

Having the muzzle BELOW the line of flight is immensely helpful.

I prefer to have the shotgun parallel to the ground and my strong side forearm as I move in on a point.Once the bird is spotted, the mount starts as I focus on a small part of the bird like the eye, or when the shot's a straightaway, where the sun never shines. The shot goes as soon as the mount's complete and one readies for a second shot. Usually, if there's time for a second shot, snap shooting wasn't the best method.

Why as soon as the butt meets the shoulder? Because your synapses and reflexes do this better than your forebrain. If we hesitate then, we try to aim, and you can guess how well that works. A well grooved in mount's essential for success here.

Of course, mindset plays a big part. Be ready to shoot as soon as a target is recognized.

The best way to get good at this would be shooting a few hundred birds with it. Of course, that's hard to do, since what you're trying to get better at is the skill needed to do that. Irony is pandemic.

Low gun clay games will speed your development. Try some snap shots from Skeet's Low 7 position, or lock a trap machine for straightaways and turn the speed down. Shoot from Post 3, moving back and forth to vary the distance and vertical angle.

Wobble trap, shot low gun, may be best for practice. The variety of angles will keep the challenge level up, and it's as much fun as anyone can have fully dressed.

This bears repeating again. Work on consistency and smoothness, speed will turn up on its own.
 
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Conscious thought is not involved.
And that is the secret to snap shooting. You don't have enough time to let your conscious mind override your subconscious. The human brain is a fascinating thing. Your brain can, if you leave it alone, determine the speed, angle and distance of a target and the speed you need to have to hit it. The bird is on the ground before you even realize what happened. All you have to do is make sure the gun fits, keep your eye on the target and your face on the stock. Practice this often enough and you don't need to think about that either. It's not instinctive as much as it is practiced. Leaving our brains alone and not over thinking a shot is the best way to make it.

Snap shooting is very fast, reactive shooting to a surprise target. What is interesting is to watch other snap shooters. Even though you don't think the muzzle is moving when you shoot, watching someone else reveals that there is a very short swing and follow through. The gun is not static until the shot is over although the shooter might think it is.

Paul
 
I do not do any snap shooting at all. I don't agree with the principle and detest the effects of at least a portion of the shots made snap shooting, not to mention the danger to others in the hunting party. There is NO WAY to set up a shotgun to not blow a bird to bits on a center pattern hit inside of 15 yards, it just is not going to happen.

That said, my equipment and shotgunning "philosophy" are about as poorly suited to snap shooting as you can get. I plan for the longest hardest shot I can face, and almost always have a full choke and a nice tight load in my gun. When a shot opportunity is presented the first decision I make is whether I can make the shot or not without hurting anyone, then I decide if I need to wait for it to get out a little further or not to keep from blowing the bird up. Snap shooting precludes making these decisions. If I snap shoot the result is often just a PUFF of feathers and a blown to bits wasted bird, something I have never been happy to see or proud of. That bird is counted in the daily bag even if there are no pieces big enough to pick up. It is not like we need these birds or go hungry, many times I think this "shoot the bird at any cost" metality is ego driven. I strive to not show that sort of arrogance when hunting and don't hunt with those that do.

I do shoot birds between 5 and 25 yards, but only when the shot is right for a head shot and the bird has enough neck for a safety margin or when I can rake the shot up the back of the bird into the back of the head.

I hunt and shoot the way I do out of respect for the game.



Leaving our brains alone and not over thinking a shot is the best way to make it.

AMEN. When I can keep my brain out of the shot I can really shoot, I mean I can REALLY REALLY shoot and not miss anything that could possibly be hit.

Unfortunately my brain figures it needs involvement and drasticly complicates things. I shoot pretty fair in spite of myself most of the time.
 
PJR and HSMITH hit two quotes that stood out in Dave's Original Post , here is another:
Having the muzzle BELOW the line of flight is immensely helpful.
IMO, this is crucial in shotgunning, irregardless of shooting method ( sustained, swing-through, snap) or shooting discipline ( clays, fowl, deer, SD/HD).

Too many good points, to quote in this thread. Software , mindset, respect for game, Not overthinking, the remarkble "human computer" ( eye/ hand coordination)....etc.
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Dave you may have intended to post about a shooting method, what you did and the responses of PJR and HSMITH really needs to be read, and re-read by anyone at any stage of Shotgunning, for whatever intended purpose.
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Have I used the snap shot method, yep, not MY first choice but some clay games like "quail walk" because I was not focusing on targets, or "trying to think too much ( overriding the human computer) I found myself snap shooting.

I have used on game where the trees,thorns and bruch so thick , it was difficult to move, even using a handgun was hard, did my share of blood donating too.

Low light, I can see the clearing up ahead...I just gotta get there...wish I'd had a machete. Concerns were wild hogs and some rabid dogs. I better understand the PHs concerns going into brush for a wounded critter with the ability to have me as HIS prey. Big critter coming at you and your tangled you can hear 'em coming, "feel" the nearness, smell the "intentions"....you a leastchanged to slugs for the walk out and when he charges and he is only 7 yds away...thank goodness for human computers...
 
Thanks for the responses,...

Paul,indeed most of the time the gun's moving, and it seems to me those are high success shots. "Ambushing" with a still gun, is not very successful, IME.
Oft I'll make a shot and not consciously know how.

Howard, I'm a little surprised at your response. What indicates a lack of respect for the game? Or unsafe practices?

The last conscious thought before the shot should be something like...

"The shot is safe, take it". Otherwise, we do not shoot.

Also, with a wide open choke and soft 8s in cheap field loads, I've had few overchewed up birds. Maybe I'm just using the fringe of the pattern.

Snap shooting is a specialized technique for SOME shots, like pass shooting is for others. ALL shots have safety and ethics as givens.

sm,snap shooting is an antidote for overintellectualization. Just shoot the thing.

13, Wobble is a game where a clay thrower is mounted on an oscillating base, and shots vary greatly in height and direction. More angles than skeet and trap combined. Lots of fun too.
 
On another note of snap shooting a fellow I shoot with occasionaly was involved with training recruits in the early sixties. For what ever reason he had to teach them to snap shoot with their rifles. He ended up getting several Red RYder BB guns and a case of ping pong balls and had them work for hours throwing their own ball up in front of them and mounting the BB gun and shooting the ping pong ball before it hit the ground. At first the recruits did not believe it could be done at all and he picked up a BB gun and promptly shot four in a row. In a couple of days he told me all but one was able to consistantly hit the balls 75% of the time. It greatly increased their self confidance seeing that they were soon to go to Vietnam.
 
Dave, my problem with snap shooting is the timeframe in which decisions are made. There is no time to make the decisions so due diligence is not possible. True snap shooting to me is "see-BAM!". Snap shooting around me or my dog is sure trouble, I am 'old enough to know better but too young to care' if you know what I mean and may the good Lord help the guy that shoots NEAR my dog.....

Snap shooting ANY game with a shotgun inside of 15 yards is irresponsible and disrespectful to the game, with most shotguns and loads that range is probably closer to 20 yards. As I said earlier it is impossible to set up a shotgun to not blow the game apart inside of 15 yards with a center pattern hit, and if snap shooting you don't know you will not center the bird. When excercising due respect and safety for all involved EVERY shot is measured. Blow a bird up when hunting with me and chances of another hunt are quite limited, there is NO reason for it EVER! It is the maneuver of a "male donkey" since we are on a family channel here.

Snap shooting in a defensive situation may have a place but I don't see it there either, you probably already lost if you need to snap shoot, and that is without bringing target identity verification into the mix.........

I am probably the in the top couple most "serious" hunters of game birds on the forum, so I know all about having passion for your sport. This hunting stuff is NOT life and death, we will not starve without the game in the bag and it is not going to kill us if we do not kill it first. I do not condone nor keep quiet about behavior I see as less than sportsmanlike, and snap shooting game is one of those gluttonous behaviors that yes even Art's grandmaw would be offended by. Snap shooting is no better than sky busting or shooting more than the limit or even poaching.
 
Kudu, that was the Quick Kill method. Once standard for GIs. Brister mentions a variant in his masterwork.

Howard, where we differ is in large part semantics,IMO. I venture to guess that you've some horror stories about those that snapshoot and/or fail to observe safe hunting practices.Some slobs and game hogs snapshoot.So do those obsessives who HAVE to compete with their hunting partners and try to get shots off first. I'm none of the above, and if we were hunting together, I doubt you'd have any complaints.

And if we were hunting together and some third party shot near any dog, I'd join you in chewing out his worse than worthless butt.Or in extreme cases, kicking same.

To me, snapshooting is a legitimate way to take game that would otherwise duck behind cover. If safety's an issue,it's not a shot opp.

If it's difficult to make, possibly leaving a wounded critter, it's not a shot opp.

Unfilled tags and bag limits quit bothering me long ago. I get invited back a lot, so my shooting styles do not seem to offend many.

I know grouse fanatics who'd regard a 20 yard shot as a bit on the long side. Same with some woodcock and rail hunters.

Snap shooting as I do it, is not a quick draw contest. It's a standard mount and swing, done simultaneously,with the shot going off a little faster. And as stated, it's a way to avoid the forebrain programming in a miss.
 
I think we are talking about different things in at least part Dave.
 
This is an interesting philosophical discussion and I find myself in the middle.

The "snap shot" as described by HSMITH is completely irresponsible if it threatens fellow hunters and that includes the dogs. Any shot not taken safely is entirely wrong.

That said in the deep thickets hunting grouse and woodcock there is often little time to take a measured shot. Distances are short and letting a hard flushing grouse get into the cover means lost game. Where I frequently hunt grouse there is no such thing as a 25 yard shot.

However I'm behind HSMITH's position while field hunting pheasants. There is not much need for a snap shot under these circumstances and letting a close flushing ringneck get out a bit is always preferable.

The best way to make a decision to take a shot is to ensure everyone stays in position and is identifiable. Although not always required by hunting regulations in my area, I wear plenty of blaze orange while hunting birds and insist upon the same with hunting partners including the dogs. I want to know where everyone is at all times and in the thick cover having a bell or a beeper on a dog is very good idea.

I only hunt thick cover with one other person, not always with dogs, and know where everyone is at all times. If I don't know, I won't shoot. Period.

Paul
 
It seems to me we are all safe, ethical, responsible hunters here. I can't help but wonder if the use of keyboards again hinders the communication process.

I don't have pheasants , grouse, and woodcock in my location for example, MY perceptions I have to base on similar environs and game. Just like we may actually "shoot" the same lead but our description of "percieved" lead may differ.

Getting off a shot quick, with disregard for safety, greedy for game, only to fire a gun Differs Big Time than a small window between two trees where a critter affords a shot.

I'm hearing "we are separtated by a common language" via keyboards.
 
As mentioned, I think the definition of "snap" or "spot" shooting may the reason for different thoughts.

When quail hunting, I do have a fair amount of 'snap' shots with a low flying, going away quail. Positioned safety, there is no gain in waiting to fire if you are on target.

In International type skeet, you basically fire when the stock hits your shoulder or a "tad" after. That works because you have tracked the bird with your body as you mount the gun. I don't consider that snap shooting... just quick because the clays fly fast!!

I have seen people "spot" shoot, some may call it snap shooting, where they try to basically intercept a moving target with very little to no gun movement. I never considered it a reliable technique overall for clay shooting or hunting. It can be done on targets with known paths and little variation. It can break down quickly on windy days and varied target paths.

It can be a fine line between proper sustained lead, minimal gun movement and "intercepting" targets in flight.
 
A fine line indeed. Not all good shotgunners agree on how a shot should be taken, but most believe the gun HAS to be moving for success.

Spot shooting or ambushing does break down fast when variables vary.

In the example given of field shooting for pheasants, IMO,better to take one's time and use a swingthrough lead. For me that means an unhurried mount, tracking the bird and firing as I pass the beak with the barrel.

Note that the Brits use a method similar to the one outlined for driven game. I've never been where peasants push pheasants past me, but the method has the swing taking place during the mount and the shotgun fired as soon as full contact occurs.

H,we are. A hurried, unsafe and hoggish shot is not what I'm talking about.

And the last time I hunted upland birds without Orange was in the 70s.
 
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