PublicEnemy
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Texaspatriot- you are exactly right, I'm trying to keep that into consideration, if things get bad there is a ton more 308, 7.62x51 ammo.
6.5 Grendel vs 308
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But I am obviously going to spend some money to get quality 308 rounds to shoot further.
RangerHAAF
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I've tried those anomalous 6.8 & 6.5 cartridges and will never go off the 30 caliber reservation again. I'm sure they work for somebody just not for me.
Kachok
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Here is the basics of each cartrage.
308 Win
Pros: availibility, highest energy at close range, .30 cal bullets, cheap @$$ plinking ammo, and better ballistics then any of the AR 15 length cartrages.
Cons: Recoil
6.8SPC
Pros: Most potent AR 15 length cartrage at close range, catching on with LE likley to become more available in the not too distant future.
Cons: Limited bullet weights, low BC bullets make for lackluster performance past 200 yd.
6.5 Grendel.
Pros: Best long range cartrage for AR 15 actions hands down.
Cons: sharp shoulder has caused feeding issues, not potent enough for real long range hunting. Cannot handle the superb 140gr bullets the 6.5mm bore is famous for. Not catching on as well as the other rounds.
260 Rem/6.5 creedmore
Pros: Far and away the best long range shooter/hunter of the bunch, can match the 300 win mag for trajectory and drift with almost 1/3 the recoil.
Cons: Ammo availibilty is less then ideal, not quite as much up close punch as the other AR10 length cartrages.
7mm-08.
Pros: A nice compromise between the up close power of the 308 and long range ballistics of the 260 with good availibility almost everywhere.
Cons: What cons? This is a very well ballenced cartrage.
308 Win
Pros: availibility, highest energy at close range, .30 cal bullets, cheap @$$ plinking ammo, and better ballistics then any of the AR 15 length cartrages.
Cons: Recoil
6.8SPC
Pros: Most potent AR 15 length cartrage at close range, catching on with LE likley to become more available in the not too distant future.
Cons: Limited bullet weights, low BC bullets make for lackluster performance past 200 yd.
6.5 Grendel.
Pros: Best long range cartrage for AR 15 actions hands down.
Cons: sharp shoulder has caused feeding issues, not potent enough for real long range hunting. Cannot handle the superb 140gr bullets the 6.5mm bore is famous for. Not catching on as well as the other rounds.
260 Rem/6.5 creedmore
Pros: Far and away the best long range shooter/hunter of the bunch, can match the 300 win mag for trajectory and drift with almost 1/3 the recoil.
Cons: Ammo availibilty is less then ideal, not quite as much up close punch as the other AR10 length cartrages.
7mm-08.
Pros: A nice compromise between the up close power of the 308 and long range ballistics of the 260 with good availibility almost everywhere.
Cons: What cons? This is a very well ballenced cartrage.
Let's not forget that the cartridge length limits which can be used in the AR15. And using an intermediate rifle is different than one with a long action weighing two pounds more.
That alone is why the comparison isn't valid. Intermediate vs full length battle rifle is what's really being compared, and that reflects a lack of sorting out what the gun will really do. It's not optimum to force one gun to do everything just to accommodate a single digit percentage solution that might happen. If that was a valid guideline, we'd all just carry a .50BMG concealed and have the answer, right?
Goes to, what ranges and type of target the gun will be used for at least 85% of the time, pick the most appropriate cartridge, and move on. Most professional armies do exactly that. If more range or a larger target is encountered, then that gun is used - precisely why the SDM and sniper is deployed to fill the range gap out to where crew served weapons are the answer.
One Gun To Rule Them All is a fantasy, as much as using a large bore combat rifle inside your home. The reality is most home defense situations use a pistol because it's at hand or close by, with less than four shots fired. It's why the 1911 is called the barbecue gun in Texas, much easier to wear, carry, and show off in your buddies back yard than a Saiga shotgun slung on your back.
Basically, some fundamental issues haven't been pinned down yet, it's a long way before even getting to which cartridge is optimum.
That alone is why the comparison isn't valid. Intermediate vs full length battle rifle is what's really being compared, and that reflects a lack of sorting out what the gun will really do. It's not optimum to force one gun to do everything just to accommodate a single digit percentage solution that might happen. If that was a valid guideline, we'd all just carry a .50BMG concealed and have the answer, right?
Goes to, what ranges and type of target the gun will be used for at least 85% of the time, pick the most appropriate cartridge, and move on. Most professional armies do exactly that. If more range or a larger target is encountered, then that gun is used - precisely why the SDM and sniper is deployed to fill the range gap out to where crew served weapons are the answer.
One Gun To Rule Them All is a fantasy, as much as using a large bore combat rifle inside your home. The reality is most home defense situations use a pistol because it's at hand or close by, with less than four shots fired. It's why the 1911 is called the barbecue gun in Texas, much easier to wear, carry, and show off in your buddies back yard than a Saiga shotgun slung on your back.
Basically, some fundamental issues haven't been pinned down yet, it's a long way before even getting to which cartridge is optimum.
It's the internet and everyone has an opinion. Fact is both calibers will work...comparing calibers and brands is the old "ford vs chevy" debate...short answer is no answer is the correct answer for everyone.
I don't follow the logic of if something bad happens that 6.5 won't be known...who cares??? If you are preparing for a bad situation...load up and don't concern yourself with that sort of thought. Also, it only takes one good shot to do the job.
I don't follow the logic of if something bad happens that 6.5 won't be known...who cares??? If you are preparing for a bad situation...load up and don't concern yourself with that sort of thought. Also, it only takes one good shot to do the job.
Kachok
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If the world goes to hell in a handbasket tomorow I have enough 6.5x55 brass, bullets and powder to last for YEARS 
I would not count on any store having any ammo if it all hits the fan. I don't like most foacory fodder anyway so availibility of factory loads has not been a selling point for me.
I would not count on any store having any ammo if it all hits the fan. I don't like most foacory fodder anyway so availibility of factory loads has not been a selling point for me.Public Enemy... Get a snub nose .38 and a 6.5x55. The 38 will kill anything in your house, and the 6.5x55 with 120g. sierra will kill anything in this country. (160g. for elk, moose,etc)
Good luck in your quest for that perfect firearm. It is a challenge.
Good luck in your quest for that perfect firearm. It is a challenge.
ZX10Aviator
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TimC, how do you like the eliminator? thought about getting the new III when it comes out. Did you find a load close enough to the grendel? Itll be for my 6.5 Grendel also.
The 308 has been a proven round for many decades. It has been proven time and time again about a heavier, bigger caliber will always be superior versus a lighter and smaller caliber bullet. A 308 can pretty much takeout any animal in North America.
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