642 Club Part Deux

[rdrancher]

I realized today that I've been spending quite a bit of time getting used to my new Ruger SP101 lately and not paying enough attention to the 642. So after fitting a set of stags to the little 'J', I headed out to my range behind the barn with a Christmas paper plate in hand.

It was almost dark, so I only had time for a few rounds.

Observation #1 - The 642 kicks harder with 158gr LRN yellow box UMC than the Sp101 does when firing CorBon 125gr JHP's.

Observation #2 - I have much better results with the 642 when point shooting as opposed to one or two hand shooting using the sights.


Results - All shots from 7 yards

Sights Utilized - 15 rounds of LRN / trigger staged- 14 on the plate, but surprisingly erratic.

Point Shooting - 5 rounds of Speer 135gr GDHP+P "short barrel" / DA only / Gun held below line of sight - All rounds within an 3" circle.


Observation #3 - Fudge smudge doesn't have a chance against twenty rounds of .38 Special.

Conclusion - Since a real gunfight would most likely involve point shooting tactics, I'm okay with the results. But, truth be told...I might just shoot better with my eyes closed.

rd

 

[angel1216]

to jt1,
Thanks for the info! and thanks for your warm welcome!! it's nice to get good advice from all you good people!
i shot 50 more this afternoon and i am starting to love it! it's true .... "once you go revolver...you'll never go back to SA"!
this will be my primary carry option from now on.

 

[AStone]

Angel, welcome in. Nice to know you got the wheel gun bug and are an x42-head.

I headed out to my range behind the barn ...

I am so envious.

Observation #2 - I have much better results with the 642 when point shooting
as opposed to one or two hand shooting using the sights.
<snip>
Point Shooting - 5 rounds of Speer 135gr GDHP+P "short barrel" / DA only /
Gun held below line of sight - All rounds within an 3" circle.

I've been mostly sure for some time that I'm going to do x42 practice henceforth mostly with pointshooting. Beginning to seriously consider having a smith (or machinist) remove that front blade.

Rd, your result just offers me more conviction. Before doing anything rash, I'll try a similar experiment next time I'm at the range (which is not behind my barn ... oh, wait, I don't even have a barn ).

Observation #3 - Fudge smudge doesn't have a chance against twenty rounds of .38 Special.

<laughter>

Suddenly, I'm hungry for fudge ...

 

[okcorral]

I'm a new owner of a 642 as of yesterday. I went to the range today and put 50 rounds through it and consistently missed. This is my first revolver and I have no problems with tight groups with the autos.

The stock grips doesn't seem to comfortable for shooting more than a few rounds at a time. I would like to change grips (possible the crimson trace) to give it a better feel.

 

[jfh]

"...I went to the range today and put 50 rounds through it and consistently missed...."​

We can probably give you tips, but we need much more info. Tell us all you can, from the distance through to the load specs.

For now, I'll simply say this:

1. Shoot at 5 yards, at first at a simple black dot target.

2. Shoot the 148-gr DEWC load, or some very mild 125s.

3. Shoot off a rest if you have to--the object is to find your group, and where it is on the paper.

4. Stroke the trigger; make no attempt to stage it (for now).

I assume you are not looking for target accuracy, but at five yards from an experienced handgunner, I would expect to see a nominal 3" group--it may take a bit to find it, but it'll be there. (FWIW, my 340 / 640 / 442 handguns are all capable of 1"-1.25" groups at 15 yards, and I suspect yours can do that, too.) Those groups were done with heads-up shooting using Crimson Traces and from a rest.

I just started with revolvers this year, too, and I was / am an accomplished pistol shooter. There's a lot of learning to do for us--but it pays off.

Jim H.

 

[MassMark]

okcorral: Welcome to the forum. As someone who carried a 1911 in one form or another for 20-years, I can understand your dismay. The 642 takes practice - a lot of it. It also requires different trigger discipline and some keen experimentation on ammo selection, grip and aiming. You will find great comfort in a lot of dry firing as well.

rdr: Nice observations - sounded like a great range session - some of my best are right behind my house. I have found over the last year, (nearly), that point shooting is where it's at with the 642. My groups are consistently tighter when point shooting. I shot a really nice tight 5-round group the other day laying on my left side and shooting up from the floor - no sights were involved for this group. When I tried to replicate using both the CT's and the front blade, I found my first hit was good, but the rest scattered. Still center mass, but none the less it was eye-opening as to just how valuable the 642 is as a point shooter.

 

[AStone]

OKCorral, welcome in. Jim and Mark offer excellent advice that I can't add to other than this: don't give up on this. The x42 - and snubs in general - is a different beast with a different niche that requires practice.

Like Jim said, please give us some specifics so that we can understand the issue and help you master it.

... point shooting is where it's at with the 642. My groups are consistently tighter when point shooting ...
it was eye-opening as to just how valuable the 642 is as a point shooter.

Something occurs to me about this that harkens back to a theater in about 1977. It was the premier of Star Wars.

Setting: The Millennium Falcon. Luke Skywalker is practicing light saber with a droid.

He was consistently getting "beat up" by the droid.

Then, he was instructed (by Obi-Wan) to put on a blind fold and let "the force" guide him.

He beat the droid.

In a sense, he was point shooting.

(Maybe RD wasn't joking when he said that
he might do better if he shot with his eyes closed.)

In any case, I think what we're talking about here is a "zen of point shooting".

It's a feeling that must be developed with practice.

 

[jt1]

BassPlayer - Great job, what a difference. Good thing you didn't waste time with the non-scratch removing Flitz polish...

rxraptor02 - Is that M37 a DA/SA or DAO?

Nem - Since I posted about the front sight removal thing I have spoken to a few folks who think it might not be such a good idea. One person in particular, who has the credentials and real world experience to know such things, says even in point shooting the front sight can play a significant, perhaps subconscious role in the shooting sequence. I think at this point I will wait until I have the opportunity to test this out on a sacrificial gun before I make any sight mods to my CCW's.

okcorral - Welcome to the 642 Club², good to have you with us. You say "consistently missed". The consistent part is good, what do you mean by "missed"? The X ring, the Target? I met a 360PD shooter at the club awhile back that was a 1911 convert who was complaining about "missing the target", once we got to shooting the guy was just deadly, really good COM at all ranges and drills. He was not happy and considered anything out of the black spot a "miss", I wish I could "miss" as good as he does!

 

[AStone]

...even in point shooting the front sight can play a significant, perhaps subconscious role in the shooting sequence. I think at this point I will wait until I have the opportunity to test this out on a sacrificial gun before I make any sight mods to my CCW's.

Makes sense at some level, JT.

We'll await you're report before amputating.

 

[Mongo the Mutterer]

It may just be me, or my hold, but I find if you have the front sight a tad "high" on the 642 it works better for me. I used a laser boresight on it several years ago to come to this conclusion.

I ditto the point shooting discussion, as well. I practice both ways, but even though I carry a 642 daily, I don't use it for target work. I leave that for the 1911s and the G19.

When I do load up the 642 I am usually impressed with the accuracy, however. YMMV.

 

[rxraptor02]

JT1, The 37-2 is DAO

 

[MassMark]

What great wisdom leaks forth from the honorable Nematocyst and Jt1 - you two should collaborate on a 642 Chronicle....I'd buy!

jt1: Ditto on the front sight removal, though the tech I spoke to at Smith and Wesson did seem to shine to the idea of a manufactured gun with no front sight - only a channel in the frame. He could have been just being nice, but he seemed to genuinely like the notion.

Nem: Your analogy to Luke is a valid one. I spent many boxes of .38's trying to target shoot with my 642 with very, very mixed results. Point shooting is indeed akin to Zen - once it becomes consistent it's like all is right with the world.

The funny thing is my remembrance a year or so ago watching an elderly gentleman busting clays at 100-yards with his Smith and Wesson 12-2. He was 16 for 18 and clearly had been shooting a long, long time. I have no aspirations to do this with my 642, (though it would be kinda neat). My mantra is: "draw, point, fire, follow up" and my range is 6" to 6' generally.

Happy New Year everyone...

 

[fiVe]

People, there has been some great stuff posted recently. Kudos to all contributors.

Now that my schedule is starting to resemble normal again, I have a post that I hope will produce constructive discussion and answers. Hopefully it won't get too long (note: could contain mild thread drift).

Intro: Thanks to jt1, I placed an order for a set of Hogue Bantam grips. I was inspired by his post #435 on page 18. I placed the order last week and they are due to arrive tomorrow.

I finally got to the range this past Saturday. (Here's the thread drift part: ) I_got_a_bottom_feeder_for_Christmas.__It_is_large,_heavy,_somewhat_bulky,_the_grip_fits_my_hand_perfectly,_and_I_really_like_it. Note²: Revolvers still rule!
Of course, I'm not going to the range without shooting the mule, and I also got some 158gr LSWC ammo from Georgia Arms so I was excited about shooting. Well, the mule KICKED! I don't know if it was the difference in ergonomics between the bottom feeder and the 642 or the lower bottom-feeder recoil or the 158gr ammo (not +P mind you), but I could barely do a cylinder without switching hands. Needless to say, accuracy was.....uh.....non.....existent.

Now on to the discussion points:
1) I'm even more glad I ordered the Hogue Bantams. BUT will they make an appreciable difference?

2) I am definitely interested in Point Shooting. I've done some (and will continue to more) research on this, but I would appreciate more specific, first-hand steps/instructions/explanation from our resident point shooters, particularly you, MassMark. (Hope this request is not an imposition.)

I sort of stumbled on to a personal 642 Quest and I've come to THE 642 SOURCE. Thanks for your help.

Peace and prosperity to all,
fiVe

 

[DAdams]

It's_OK_fiVe_

I drifted to the benthic zone a few posts back talking about how good my BERSA 380 felt after about 25 rounds of 158 gr .38 through the snub.

What brand BF did you get from Santa? I have been checking out a HK P2000SK .40. Something with the 40 Oomph for home defense, and OWB winter carry. I still like the Kahr PM9 as a carry auto. A great deal right now is the S&W $50 rebate and two free mags on the MP series autos.

Hogue Bantams? Hope you like them because if you do I may try some out. I can tell you this much. The Monogrips just flat out rule, albeit a bit long. Maybe they (Hougue) will listen to us one day eh jt1?

Point and shoot. That's where the CTs really come into their own both in combat use (assumed) and practice.

In conclusion perhaps the ultimate solution are the CT 305s?? Long enough for control management and shock absorption, distribution, and short enough for concealment. Point and shoot is maximized with the laser point.

I just had a feeling that some day I might have to buy a set of 305s just to satisfy a natural curiosity.

Belated Happy New Year and Greetings from the Florida Keys, where tonight it will be 40 degrees. Brrr. Key West tomorrow and mid 60s.

 

[AStone]

What caliber for bottom feeders?

 

[AStone]

I can tell you this much. The Monogrips just flat out rule, albeit a bit long.

 

[AStone]

Since I posted about the front sight removal thing I have spoken to a few folks who think it might not be such a good idea. One person in particular, who has the credentials and real world experience to know such things, says even in point shooting the front sight can play a significant, perhaps subconscious role in the shooting sequence.

Last night, after reading that,
I did some dry fire practice.

After unloading my x42, then double/triple checking its unloaded status (*),
I faced a wall beyond which no humans lived within a mile,
held the x42 at low ready, then raised it to dry fire.

I noticed that my eyes (both open) automatically focused on the front sight.

It's from years (57) of shooting practice
where one focuses on the front sight.

The front sight becomes a reference point.

I'm thinking maybe I'll just leave the front sight on
and put a dab of reflective yellow paint on it.
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(*) Four rules of gun safety according to Jeff Cooper:

1. All guns are always loaded (until you establish whether they are or not).
2. Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
   Keep your gun pointed in a safe direction at all times: on the range, at home, loading, or unloading.
3. Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target (and you are ready to shoot).
4. Be sure of your target. Know what it is, what is in line with it and what is behind it.
   Never shoot at anything that you haven't positively identified.

 

[MassMark]

The Unlikely Instructor....

2) I am definitely interested in Point Shooting. I've done some (and will continue to more) research on this, but I would appreciate more specific, first-hand steps/instructions/explanation from our resident point shooters, particularly you, MassMark. (Hope this request is not an imposition.)

Not at all fiVe - my pleasure. First, I'll state that I'm no expert on the subject - I've no formal training, (self-taught really) and have yet to pick up jt1's recommended books on point shooting. My experience came quite by accident, (after some trial and error in the past). To use that old Internet acronym: YMMV

Through the years, I have tried my hand at "Quick Draw McGraw" with mixed results. I think in my youth, I was more playfully trying to achieve results - rather than truly being invested in it as a defensive tool. It wasn't until the acquisition of the 642CT that point shooting not only became an essential tool for defensive shooting, but it became a remedy for a growing insanity when trying to accurately shoot with a weapon I was desperately unfamiliar with. After years of 1911's and various other bottom feeders, the 642 was an entire concept change for me. Trying to target shoot this gun was maddening and it didn't occur to me until I was adjusting my CT lasergrips that point shooting this weapon was the eureka I was looking for. Here's what I've learned thus far:

- Point shooting involves taking all focus off the front sight and redirecting it toward the target.

- Point shooting for me requires thinking of the gun as an extension of my finger. It harkens back to my days of youth - playing "Cowboys and Indians" in my mothers back yard. No one really aimed - except of course the riflemen.... The gunslingers, (of which I am not under the illusion of being one now), never had to aim - it was just "draw, point, fire". I've added to this concept a bit with: "draw, point, fire, followup" and also "push, draw, point, fire, followup, retreat"....

- Point shooting is as instinctive as pointing your finger at a star in the sky. it just takes practice and a keen understanding, (or un-understanding if you'll pardon me) of your long held shooting principles, (i.e: sight shooting target acquisition). What I've found to be interesting is that even though I point shoot my 642, (nearly 100%), I still revert back to sight shooting with my Ruger Mark II, ParaOrdinance 6.45, Glock22 and HK VP70z. I think my brain has just gotten used to the fact that I point shoot with the 642 and target shoot with the other pistols. Odd.

Start by drawing and pointing your finger at your television screen from across the room. You'll look ridiculous, but if you do it enough, you'll soon find out that you're on target. Next, add your empty and safety checked 642 and do the same. If you draw and point, freeze for a moment and lower your head enough to look down the barrel. If you're honest and keep your hand frozen, you'll start to notice that you're on target. Trigger control is also key and I find gripping the trigger with the middle pad of my finger, (near the crease of my knuckle) works wonders.

Where it's come to: I am now to the point, where I absolutely do not see my weapon at all. I'm sure I actually see it, but my brain is hyper-focused on the target and does not register my 642. It could be because the weapon is small and I have giant mongoloid gorilla hands, or it could be because point-shooting has become so instinctive that all I see is the target and the spatter of the bullets against the Shoot-N-See. I barely notice the laser dot from my CT's, but have used it from odd angles for first shot placement, (which by the way is not fool-proof). I am not yet fully comfortable shooting from the hip more than one round, but I'm working on it. I have however scored consistent hits from belly level up to chin level shooting with the 642 in front. I also stopped worrying about the "X-ring" with this gun and focus solely on center mass - it's amazing how much better you shoot when your target size grows from 3-inches to 13... I worry less about putting 5 rounds next to one another and more about putting 5 rounds into the same area - it's broadening your horizons and lessening expectations, yet at the same time - improving your end result. My mission with the 642 is not to pop soda cans off a fence post - my mission is to put down a would-be attacker and end a threat. Once I took the onus off precision shooting, point shooting just naturally fell into place. If you take a standard slow fire pistol target and put your rounds anywhere on that target, you're a success. Take that same target after you're done, cut it out and place it on your chest - the results will be eye opening. See? Lessen your expectations - improve end result.

I apologize for the ramble and hope it helped even a little. Sometimes I'm the type that when you ask me what time it is, I talk about wondering how to build a watch. In other words, I'm not great at short answers. For me, point shooting came as a solution to a problem, that has morphed into an instinctive shooting tool for my self defense. I'm not preaching to anyone, (except myself), but it is truly the ideal for this weapon. Those struggling with shot placement and trigger issues would do well to work in some point shooting into your regimen. When you think about likely scenarios where one needs to defend their life, sight shooting does not seem to be a likely solution to the threat. My guess is that it will be a very quick affair where getting a first and second strike will need to happen toot-sweet, up close and personal. I scratch my head as to why some are training with this gun at 10-yards when likely defense scenarios will likely be much, much, much closer....But that's just me.

Take care out there 642 Heads....

 

[GunNut]

Wow, you guys are a talkative group.....


I carry a 340PD, so I'm kind of in the club.

 

[fiVe]

Lightning rod post from the farside of Mars...

What brand BF did you get from Santa?

The above question is fair, just, and valid, but the reader must be prep’d before it is answered. Many (if not all) will suspect the sensibility of my choice, and all I can say is I gave it much thought and prayer and tons of research. I’m sure the placement of such a blatantly off-topic post from kiNg fiVe will come as a shock, but I assure you I have not taken leave of my senses and this thing will take a violent and corrective turn to land squarely on target (hopefully).

Now for final preparation. If the reader is:

standing--please sit
eating/drinking--please swallow and insure throat is clear
driving--please pull ov-----ok scratch this, you shouldn’t be driving!
handling a firearm--please secure it and put it down


The answer: I have a Hi-Point JCP in .40 caliber.

My son, Agent 86 on THR, and I have had some interesting discussions about handguns. He appreciates revolvers, but is not the purist (if I may still use the word) his father is. He presented some good points about having more than 5-6 rounds available in a handgun. So I gave it some consideration (his logic was solid after all) from a home defense pistol standpoint, did boo-koo research, stumbled onto the Hi-Point, and discovered I could have 10+1 rounds of .40 caliber in a brand new handgun for $179.99. I also discovered that people either really like these or they really don’t, and since the debate seems to be about even for each side, I decided I wanted to find out first hand.
It is heavy,
…it looks funky (and cool!),
…the grip fits my hand perfectly,
…the recoil is very managable due to the grips and the weight of the beast (this .40 caliber round is growing on me)
…and it shoots straight (even I am fairly accurate with the ketchup and mustard sights (red front sight with yellow rear sight).

However,(and I won’t sugarcoat this) it has a feeding problem. It jammed way too many times. I need to polish the feed ramp and possibly adjust the mag lips and then run a very thorough test before it can be deemed home-defense worthy.

Warning: Violent, yet topic-corrective, turn ahead.

Having said all the above, it will never be a carry piece because of its weight, and this is where the 642 shines. Without a doubt, the 642 in my Mika round-cut pocket holster is the best carry configuration for me. You just cannot beat the be-there-all-the-time quality of this hammerless snubbie. I’m very eager to get back to the range for some point shooting with the Hogue grips. (DA, your comments about the 305’s are duly noted. I want to have a run with the Bantam grips first.)

I think this Hi-Point will satisfy my wanderlust over to the magazine-fed pistol side. Maybe future posts here will help convince the rest of the members that I have not gone insane. And to half-way redeem myself, I did happen upon a sweet deal on a S&W Model 36 (Chief’s Special) with a 3” barrel. This happened back in October. One day, I would also like to give the Ruger Redhawk .45 Long Colt a serious looking at.

Ok! Back on topic! (Moderators, thanks for your indulgence. I feel level-headness and sensibility returning and if you have read this far into these ramblings, thanks.)

Peace,
fiVe

 

[My642]

NEw 642 Owner

Hi,

I just joined the special ranks of those carrying the S&W 642. Mine has Crimson Trace laser grips and is in route to my FFL as we speak. I can't wait to receive it and find out more about getting the most out of it by those in this forum.

 

[Stainz]

fiVe & MassMark;

A great one to watch for 'intuitive shooting' is Bob Munden. You can occasionally catch him on Jim Scouten's 'Shooting USA' on the Outdoor Channel. His 'fast draw' with a .45 SAA is lightening fast, his speed of firing five is faster than five from a 1911. And... he is accurate... "Bob can shoot...".

For me, a mere mortal, I have opted for a retrieval of my 642 or 296 from the Mika's pocket holster - and in one clean move, I bring it to eye level at arm's length - and only bring my finger into the trigger guard as I approach the apex of my rise. I can get three shots COM at 12 yd fairly fast - with the left hand reaching the revolver for the fourth shot - at the bg target's noggin. My rationale is simple - it may take a few hundredths of a second longer to reach eye level - and, yes, I 'intuitively' look for the front sight - but I maintain that most evil-doers are amateurs with firearms - and my accuracy is more important. A miss with the first shot in defense will take more time to correct for than the added time to reach eye level. Besides, if you do use a laser sighter, CT, etc, you will take more time aligning it.

Another concern, at least for my CTS-riddled wrist, is recoil. Shooting from the hip with boot grips is uncomfortable - and recoil recovery is time consuming. My accuracy at eye-level - even one-handed - is far better; recoil recovery faster - of course, faster still when that second hand appears for number four shot. Like you said, YMMV!

Another important step - in any altercation involving a handgun in you defense - RELOAD! It is of the utmost importance - especially with 'just' five. Practice that, too... but be very careful about 'quick draw' - even a great shooter of some note, a border guard at the time, had an incident while so doing at their cabin. An accidental discharge can, as his was, be fatal to someone even in another room. Of course, I am an 'armchair expert', with all of the certification Print Shop can produce...

Stainz

 

[fiVe]

MassMark:
Great post! I am printing it for perpetual re-reading/study. Thanks.

Stainz:
Your post is also good. I am printing it, too.

 

[lg&m]

Knock-Knock. I would like to join your club. I am a life long shooter/hunter. I was surfing looking for info on J-frames when I found this forum. Last Saturday I got my 642. I only have 50 rounds down range right now but that will change soon. I have a Fist IWB holster on the way (I have one of his for my Glock 30 good gear) Can anyone recommend a paddle holster for this great little gun? Thanks.

 

[RTFM]

Guys some times I fail to look around THR and miss some good information elsewhere here.

Here is something that I would like to draw your attention to.
Here is an enterprising new member that had an OMG moment and used his head for more than a hat rack.

To fully appreciate his ingenuity watch his utube video also included in his post.

Original thread link:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=328304

ev239
New Member



Join Date: 09-07-07
Posts: 10 Hip Grip/Mexican Carry Trigger Holster

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Do you ever get an idea in your head that keeps you up at night?
That's what happened to me last night. It's an idea that I'm surprised noone's ever thought of before.

Here's some background before I get into the actual idea.
A few weeks ago I became friends with Michael, the husband of one of my wife's friends.
We were visiting at their house when the conversation turned towards guns.

Turns out Michael's an enthusiast like myself, though more old school than new school. By old school I mean revolvers, 45's & leather vs. plastic guns & kydex holsters.
He was fascinated by my Crossbreed Holster since his leather IWB for his Springer 1911 isn't the most comfortable and doesn't conceal well.

Anyways back to the idea. Michael also carries a hammerless 357 snubbie tucked into his pants using the tried and true Barami Hip Grip. Now I've owned a Charter Arms 38 snubbie I'd gotten for my wife since last summer, but never really tried to carry it and using a hip grip intrigued me.

So I went out and got one.
It works as advertised, but it's a little disconcerting that there's nothing covering the trigger guard like in an actual holster.

I know people have carried like this for decades. It's been termed "Mexican Carry" which is basically carrying a handgun tucked behind a belt sans a holster. There are lots of different carry clips available to help with this very useful way to carry. That's when it hit me.

I'd read about a knife holster several weeks back when I was researching neck knives.
The holster could also be used with the knife in the pocket. When the knife is put into play and pulled out of the pocket a chain or cord tied to the holster and attached to a belt loop would catch the holster and uncover the knife blade so that it can do it's work while safely clearing the pocket.

Why can't a similar "trigger holster" be made for those of us who decide to mexican carry.

Here's what I've come up with:












This prototype was created with a scrap of kydex that I had laying around along with a chicago screw and an extra shoe string.

These are the features of my trigger holster:

- Safely covers the trigger guard while the gun is inside the pants
- Adds no bulk to the width of the gun
- Weighs very little
- Pops off once the gun clears the pants allowing access to the trigger
- Adjustable length string (allows for a longer or shorter length depending on if the gun is worn appendix or behind the hip)
- Tension screw allows adjustable tightness
- Can simply stay attached to the gun during storage

Here is a video showing how the trigger holster is worn and used (this is only the first day that I've worn a revolver using a hip grip so my draw definitely needs some improvement) :

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mww-DQBbtfc

I have only made one for a J-frame sized 38, but this idea can easily carry over to any number of handguns that can be stuffed inside the waistband.

Let me know what all of you think.

A copy of this writeup is on my blog - http://hiddendefense.blogspot.com.
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Mine
Sig P239 (9mm)
Norinco 213 (9mm)
Kel-tec P-3AT (380)
Bersa Thunder22 (22lr)

Wife's
Ruger SP101 3" (357mag)
Walther P22 (22lr)
Charter Arms Undercover (38spl)

Good for him (and us) for such enterprising individuals.

RTFM