642 Club Part Deux

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Anybody have a T grip on a Mod 40 Classic? Not quite sure which size to order.

Tyler's web page shows a size for all J frames after 1955 and lists models but does not list Mod 40 or 40 Classic. Grips on the 40 are definitely different than those on other J frames, but possibly not different in the area where the T grip attaches. I tried to call Tyler during their listed hours and they have their answering machine turned off.
 
I'm sure you guys have already tried to do this, but is there any way to get this thread into its own forum?

BTW - I don't even own a firearm yet, but I have a Mossberg 500 on order, and have been looking at the 642 for a while. I already know it's what I'll get when the time comes. So, I wonder how many members there are here who don't even own one yet.
 
Sighting in Crimson Trace grips for 50'

The manual tells me that a 50' sight in is good and explains why. I agree.

My problem is that my carry ammo is expensive and getting hard to get and I'm not a very good shot at 50'. I don't want to waste ammo getting it fine tuned when I can't seem to get a group much under a foot or so out there.

Is there a way to sight them in at a lesser distance, say 7 yards or less, that would yield a properly located group at 50' if I was able to hold steady enough?

For instance - the laser may be located 1/2" right and 1" low at point blank range. I'd want the laser to be 0" and 0" at 50'. Is there any way to figure bullet drop etc.

OR......does the normal rise of the barrel because of the recoil of the gun preclude simply figuring bullet drop at longer distances as you would when sighting in a rifle or when using a very strong clamp?

Also - if I sight in using a very good rest for my arm - wouldn't that yield a different POI than shooting offhand with it's accompanying barrel jump?

Do I just need to take a very good rest (or use a clamp) and fire away at 50' until I have a group that is representative of the drop, then adjust the laser? Then do the same again until the grouping seems to be in the ball park every time?

Any cheap way to figure this out or do I just need to be a better shot.

Perhaps I need to take a rest and sight it in at 7 yards and then sight it in a little farther out every few months as I get better.

Maybe this is too basic and I'm over thinking the problem. But humor me anyway please.:confused:

Any thoughts?
 
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I sighted mine in at 21 feet. My 642 does a good job at 30 feet also with this setting. Most shootings accure at less then 21 feet. I reload so I sighted in with cheaper ammunition that is very close to my carry ammunition.
I would say 20 to 30 feet would be the best for self defense.
 
I too sighted my 642 w/ctc grips at 7 yards.

I can hit the 12" metal plate at my range wiht it.

I'd sight it @ 7 or 10 yards and not worry about it. It's not a target gun.
 
Proarms Podcast on Crimson Trace

You might want to take a look at the Crimson Trace Podcast produced by the Pro Arms folks including Massad Ayoob among others.

You can see the videos and the link to listen to the podcast is at the bottom of the page here: http://proarms.podbean.com/2009/01/04/018-crimson-trace-laser-grips-and-laser-sights-review/

They advocate sighting in the laser parrallel to the bore axis and give some pretty good reasons why. The video on the page shows how to sight it in with a minimal amount of ammunition.

Hope this helps.
 
CT sighting

Marvin KNox: my idea is to use a cheap ammo with the same bullet weight (possible similar bullet type and also similar initial velocity) of your carry ammo; in other words try to get a cheaper ammo with a similar POI of your carry choice. Remember that in general faster bullets shoot low and lighter bullets shoot low also (I've red that in a gun magazine and I've experienced that with all my revolvers). If you are not a good shooter at 50 feet nothing prevents you to sight your laser grips at 7 yards. Once you have sighted your CT with the cheaper ammo you can shot a cylinder or two of yor carry ammo to get the final adjustment (point of laser impact=point of bullet impact). If I were you I will not use the sights to adjust the laser grips because laser is for istinctive shooting not target shooting. The most important thing is to minimize handgun shakes when pulling the trigger or you can see the laser going everywhere while you are doing that. When you practice using the sights, please switch off the laser!
Just my poor opinion.


Best regards, 5-SHOTS
 
Hi all

Does any one jog with their 642 here? If so what do you carry it in?

AND how about other holsters for every day carry? What do you guys like to use?

Thanks
 
Diggers, for every day carry a Mika pocket holster is hard to beat. I also use a Side Guard IWB holster. It's well made and easy to reholster. Both are in demand so you will have to wait for them. Mika 12 weeks Side guard 5 to 7 weeks.
 
New Member and new 442 owner

Hi, I just bought a 442 w/lock this week (after my ruger lcp foray) and went to the in-laws to shoot it with my son and father in law today. Well, the father in law brought out some of his arsenal... new taurus .327 fed. mag., taurus 1911, glock .45 gap, and SW M&P 45. We brought my glock 30sf, my son's 20 gauge 870, and my NEW 442. We shot them all and found some interesting things that I would like to report here... First of all, the 442 shot great... shot 50 148 grain wadcutters - pretty accurate but I will need a lot of work... I also bought a box of the Hornandy critical defense +P 110 grain rounds... shot some of them also. Not much more kick than the wadcutters but definitely hotter... Suprisingly, had more muzzle flash than the wadcutters even though it's marketed as flash suppressed... Seemed pretty accurate and I think they will work ok. Havent shot any hot 158 grains yet as this is my first snubbie. Now for the interesting part... Father in law has new taurus .327 and looks like a great gun.. Has exposed hammer and is not near as light as the 442. Whoa, kicks much harder than the 442. While not difficult to handle, it was closer to 357 mag levels than I had imagined. This was from a gun about 20-22 oz from my guesstimate too... shooting amer. eagle rounds (not sure of weight)... Had 2 FAILURE TO FIRE's on the .327. Both show dented primer so not sure if gun was weak on the firing pin or hard primers... Both rounds shot fine the second pull... Hmmn... thought revolvers were supposed to go bang every time??? Wasn't that some of the hype here on this board??? Well, the 442 shot fine each time. Dad in Law's 1911 had a stovepipe and one failure to feed.... Broke out my glock g30sf and nooooo problems as usual (never had one issue)... So far the smith seems real good too but I will have to work a lot on accuracy.... I am a little spoiled with the Glock.... Sorry for such a long initial posting and I don't have any pics yet... Thanks for the input on this forum as I was able to dump the lcp and pick up the 442... I was feeling kinda like "yeah, this thing is really reliable" until my father in laws .327 choked twice today.... Please tell me that was an abberation as now I am not so sure....The glock has never let me down but is just too big for the pocket....
 
My First Gun Landed Me Here (long post)

I bought a Smith and Wesson 642 revolver just last week. I've never owned a gun before, and I grew up in a gunless family. No hunting, and, as a matter of fact, I believe my Mother was adamantly against even toy guns, although we got away with that sometimes.

This is the story of how I got to this point.

About five months ago, I started thinking about our new president, and what his election could mean to gun owners. So, if I was ever going to buy a gun, I figured I might as well do it now. So I started my research. Like anything these days, the first thing I do is "ask the internet." So I started googling about guns in the home for protection. That put me on track to realizing the term for a gun purposed for that was "home defense", often abbreviated as HD. So I googled those terms, and found a lot more specific information about it. I came across article after article about what the best type of firearm and caliber is right for HD. I soon gathered that the 12 gauge pump action shotgun is best for HD.

I remember going with a friend (who hunts a lot) to Cabelas to look at shotguns. He has several guns, but he was not in agreement with me about a shotgun being my HD choice. I think he thought it was "too much". So we get to Cabelas, and he tells the guy behind the counter that I was interested in clay shooting. Huh? OK, I'm going along with this… I don't know what I'm doing. Is it bad to say I want it to protect me and my family from bad guys? Maybe it is. But as the conversation went on, I slowly let it creep in that I was after a HD gun. Then he pointed me to the 18" shotguns…. "riot guns". My friend and I were both a little bothered by that term, but that's what they were called. That was just a learning visit for me, so I left without buying anything.

Back home, I continued researching different makes and models, basically looking for the most popular, since I knew no better. The impression I got was, for the money, either the Remington 870 or the Mossberg 500 was the best to be had for home defense shotguns. There were many discussions about this on various forums, coming from both sides, so I went with the cheaper of the two. I ordered a Mossberg combo – the 54169 Mossberg product number. I ordered the combo (18" bbl plus a 28" bbl) not because I was planning on taking up duck hunting. I did it because it felt better to not be buying a gun that was for the sole purpose of defense.

Having ordered the shotgun, I was now in wait mode. While I waited for it to come in at the gun shop, I continued browsing around just to get myself familiar with all things guns… so I'd have a head start when I actually get it. As a result of that browsing, I starting running into blog articles and forum postings about carrying a gun. I learned, to my surprise, that it is legal to openly carry a handgun in PA, without any kind of permit. I also learned, at this time, that one must read the law for himself. There is no discussion of what you can do, just what you can't do. In PA, nothing says you can't openly carry, so it must be legal. And, my county's application to get a license to carry a firearm never mentions that it is specifically for concealed carry, not for open carry. But, that is indeed the case. Very strange.

There were a few weeks in there where I just forgot about the whole gun thing, and was left it up to the gun shop to call me when the shotgun came in. And then later there were a few stories all at once in the news about people using a weapon to protect themselves inside and outside the home. That got me interested in learning more about carrying again. I started looking at the Kel Tec's, because they seemed very concealable. Also, the semi-auto seemed like what everyone was using, so, again, I wanted to stay in the mainstream. I also looked at 9mm Glocks. They seemed to be most popular, plus, I'd heard of them on TV. That was good enough. But then I came across an article where a man listed his favorite guns for CCW. In that list was a Ruger SP-101. He talked about how a revolver is typically more reliable if you are a new shooter, and there is less that can go wrong. So, I went looking at pictures of the SP-101. My first reaction was that is was ugly. Also in that article was the Smith and Wesson 642. I looked at it too. It was even uglier, being a smaller snubbie. After looking at various revolvers, I started to appreciate how they looked. I'm not sure why or how, but I genuinely came to the point where they really looked beautiful to me, and the semi-autos were actually ugly. I also noticed one of the manufacturers listed the number of rounds that their semi-auto was expected to be able to withstand in its lifetime. It was something like 6,000. I never saw anything like that discussed for a revolver. Revolvers just seemed sturdier to me, now.

So, now I was Googling specifically for info about the SP-101, and the S&W 642. In that process, I came upon the "642 Club" thread of www.thehighroad.org. I read and read and read that thread. One comment stuck out in my mind… a gentleman was talking about how everyone seems to say you should carry no less than a 1911, but then if you go out to dinner with those same guys and ask them what they're carrying, they all say "my 642".

So, it looked like the 642 was going to be it for me. I'd initially thought about the 638, but comments about it being more susceptible to dust and such if carried in a pocket really hit home with me. Right now, I can barely read my cell phone display if it's in direct sunlight, because of the dust it's collected behind the screen from being in my pocket all the time. So, 642 for sure, when the time comes.

But, the problem was, at this time, I was only going to buy one gun. And I already knew the Mossberg that I had on order was the best for me for home defense. And then I realized that, in my situation, if I'm limited to one gun, I should buy the one that fits all of my needs best. If I have a shotgun, I can use it for HD, but not CCW. If I had a small handgun, I could use it for both. So, I cancelled the Mossberg order (it had not even came in yet) and went down to the gun shop and walked out with a 642 that same day.

I had just started researching ammunition, and started getting familiar with the terminology – enough to realize that personal defense rounds should have hollow points, and target rounds should be wadcutters. So, I went on a search for some ammo. I bought Hornady Critical Defense for carrying. Non +P. I knew, to start, at least, I needed to keep the recoil down as much as possible. If I got good at dealing with the recoil, I could go to the +P rounds. And for target shooting, I didn't have much luck. The cheapest I could find was some PMC 132gr FMJ. They would have to do for now.

Now I can't wait to get this baby out and shoot it. I don't have a place readily accessible, so it may take a while till I figure out where I can go.

In the meantime, I'm spending time handling the revolver. I want it to be second nature to me by the time I get it out to shoot it. I bought some snap caps and I just sit and load them in, slap it shut, shoot 5 times, pop it open, unload them, load them again, snap it shut, and do it all again… over and over. I'm already getting some sore spots on my hands, but I'm sure they will callus. I play guitar, so I know how slow and steady working of something like that will toughen up your skin, and strengthen the right muscles, slowly over time. So I continue to just handle the revolver repeatedly, using the snap caps.

I also bought some ear protection, and a small gizmo for cleaning the gun (a snake). I cleaned it already, even, as the manual recommended. The country song "Still Cleanin This Gun" was running through my head the whole time. And, ironically, by beautiful daughter went to the junior prom that night.

I have the application for LTCF filled out, in my drawer, here. I'll probably be turning that in this coming week. It's a great country we live in, and, it appears, a great state I live in also (PA). I guess VT may be better, in regard to this, though.

I'm looking forward to shooting and caring for this gun for decades. I like the fact that it is intended to last that long, with proper care.

I have some links to some photos here. I wasn't going to do that, but then I realized, even though there isn't much difference in the 642s that different people buy, I still love seeing their photos of their own gun. I always go looking at the photos. So, I'm including some of mine, even though you've already seen guns just like this one. I assume you're interested too.

I want to thank thehighroad.org for unknowingly helping me in this decision process. I must also note that I work in Information Technology, so I have engaged in hundreds of different discussion forums over the years. But I have never observed such courtesy, and a general attitude of humility as I've seen in thehighroad.org. You guys really do stay on the high road. And if someone doesn't, it is dealt with well.

Oh… one more thing… can I be in the club?
 

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Oh… one more thing… can I be in the club?
Tommy, with a first post like that,
you could probably be club president. :)

Nice essay.
Maybe it will stimulate a series of "stories"
about backgrounds relevant to th' lil' mules.

Welcome.
 
Tommy Nice Treatise

Tommy 610, welcome to the club. It is interesting the diverse backgrounds from which we eminate; yet the X42 is the catalyst for convergence.

If you plan to pocket carry don't forget to get your Mika (round or square cut on order). In the meantime get a DeSantis Nemesis Pocket holster, under $20 and readily available on-line. Also get at least one two pack of Bianchi Speedstrips. You may wish to try a Speedloader of the round dimension see which works best for you. For OWB carry you may wish to consider a Blackhawk Speed Classic. Optics Planet usually has them in stock and the best price. They probably have the DeSantis as-well.

Feel free to try some Plus P ammunition (I am assuming your 642
is a dash 2 is rated for it).

Another item worth considering which I am sure you have encountered reading the posts is a laser grip. The Crimson Trace model 305 is the most popular but the 405 may fit your bill better.

Sounds like you have the basics for HD and EOTHWS covered now get out there and pick up some ammunition. Double 00 for HD, at least two boxes of number 6 for birds and rabbits and that will work nicely in the 28 inch barrel. I would add a few round of slugs for deer or longer range work (not for the 18 inch).
A sling on the Mossberg will come in handy for bugout or cruising.

Read the Book One Second After and you will no doubt want to expand your aresenal and ammunition cache. If you like it and want to further expand on the concept, read A World Made by Hand.
Cheers


Cleaning supplies (nothing with ammonia). You are approaching good to go.
 
:):)Oh what a sickness created with this thread. Or did the sickness create the thread? :):) Anyway I gave in to the sickness and went out yesterday and
bought my own 442. Could not stand it any longer. I have not fired it yet,
will try to do that later today. Here is my initial impression of the 442. The
one I have is about the most perfect specimine I have seen lately produced
by S&W. The finish is absolutely perfect on this one. The trigger pull is very
very smooth and will not require anything to make it better. Lockup with the
trigger pulled and held is very snug on all five chambers. The cylinder air gap
(and this is what really impresses me) is between 2 1/2 to barely 3 thousands
on all five chambers. I have a 637 bought last summer and the cylinder gap is
a generous 11 thou. S&W told me last year that the 637 was in spec and not
to worry. I quit worrying about it but I was not happy. Also the clearcoat on
the 637 frame completely came off. I am not knowlegeable on exactly what
the black finish on my new 442 is but it looks more durable than the clear coat on the 637. The black finish may wear but I don't think it will peel off.
My new 442 was made in October 2008. I will carry it mostly in front pocket
in an old cheap UM pocket holster and sometimes on the belt in a Uncle Mikes
Super Belt Slide Mirage holster. I will probably feed it with the same carry
loads of Rem.158 gr.+p LSWHP, or Rem 125 gr+P Golden Sabres. Anyway thanks to all of you.......you made me do it!:):):) Will try to post a picture/
range report later on. Thanks to all.

OH, AND DID I TELL YOU --I LOVE THIS GUN???
 
I picked up my brand new Model 642 yesterday and was able to put 50 rounds of cheap 158gr. wadcutters through it. I have to say I bought this gun due to this forum and a number of other sites citing it the preeminent conceal carry weapons out there. I took my CHL course here in TX in January and am still waiting for the license in the mail.

I grew up around guns and remember shooting my dad's original Model 36 nickel snubbie a lot growing up. Then I went to college and lost interest in guns and such. I actually became something of a hippie, anti-war, anti-violence.

That all changed the day I found out my girlfriend at the time, now wife, was pregnant. It really sank in the second night at home with my daughter, she was about a week old total, and I was doing what every new dad does in bed at night, worry. I could hear the gunshots in the distance, we lived in a bad part of town, and could not imagine living there any longer with a wife and child at home unprotected. So we moved. And a shotgun came with us.

Long story short after surviving two hurricanes (Rita and Ike) and losing everything in Ike (including the shotgun) carrying a gun seemed like the most obvious thing in the world to me. And when I think of handguns, I can't get away from dad's old Model 36. I have shot a lot of other pistols and revolvers in the time since my daughter was born, she will be 5 this summer, but I can't get the idea of a wheel gun out of my head as the penultimate firearm.

I'll be ordering Mika's pocket holster soon.

Anyway, thanks for your unwitting help in purchasing this gun. I love it.
 
Tommy610
I bought some snap caps and I just sit and load them in, slap it shut, shoot 5 times, pop it open, unload them, load them again, snap it shut, and do it all again… over and over.

Your enthusiasm for the 642 is more than apparent, and practice is always prudent, but for the love of your 642, please refrain from slapping/snapping the cylinder shut. It's bad for the gun for a whole bunch of reasons, and only mallninjas (see Gecko45) do that.:)

Simply closing the cylinder will suffice.
 
Welcome

jared and murph. It is mandatory you post pictures of your new/preowned x42 because you know we all like pictures. ;) Keep us posted with your trips to the range and experiences.

Jared says:

Oh what a sickness created with this thread. Or did the sickness create the thread?

That woud be our kiNg fiVe. Describes him to a tee. :cool:
Oh kiNg, where art thou these days?
 
Well, got my Crimson Trace grips but still looking around for a nice appendix or cross draw IWB leather holster. May just have to start wearing looser jeans and pocket carry!
 
Tommy,

My first gun landed me here as well, I just wasn't as articulate about it as you. :)

Since then (and it was just last November), I've bought a total of 9 handguns (including 3 for my kids and one for my wife).

So enjoy the heck out of your first (but almost certainly NOT your last) handgun. I am still happy I made the 642 my first handgun choice and it's in my front right-hand pocket as I type this (I now have a CCW license).

And welcome to The Club!!! :D
 
Well, got my Crimson Trace grips but still looking around for a nice appendix or cross draw IWB leather holster. May just have to start wearing looser jeans and pocket carry!

My 642 has Crimson Trace grips and I pocket carry it all the time. It's a great way to have a great gun with you at all times. :cool:
 
rkcdude, what was the problem with the LCP?

PcolaDawg, which CT grips are you using? The ones I've seen look pretty large and I'm wondering if they would be a bit too much as far as concealability is concerned.
 
I guess I should introduce myself! I picked up my 642 (no lock) a couple of days ago after a LOT of reading, both here and on many other web sites. After a lot of research I decide that the 642 was THE carry gun for me. Now I'm just waiting for my lifetime carry permit to arrive. Thanks for all the good info here.
 
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