7.62 x 54R with pistol bullets and Bullseye

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I was reading the Cast Bullet Loads for Military Rifles-Article by C.E. Harris. And am interested in the The Small Game or Gallery" Load.
125 grain plain based "small game/gallery" 900-1000 f.p.s., 5 grains of Bullseye or equivalent.
And was wondering if anybody here has tried that load before? I would like to try it with a mosin 91/30. I have some 115 grain cast bullets, made for the 32-20 Winchester.
I know they are lighter than the recommended bullet weight of 125 grains. And was wanting to know what should my seating depth be? Should I seat it to the crimp groove?
Or would that be too short? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
 
Sounds like fun. My only attempt at m/n reloading was a dismal failure. My m44 apparently doesn't like .308" bullets.

I'd seat them as long as possible with the following as limiters:

Have at least .312" of the bullet in the neck.
Make sure the bullets aren't touching the lands.
Make sure loaded rounds fit in magazine and feed properly.

Once you have those limiting factors worked out, then play around with oal for best accuracy.
 
I haven't used the exact combination you mentioned, but I've been loading reduced power/subsonic ammo for almost 40 years.

First off, have you slugged your bore?

Mosin groove diameters can vary quite a bit, I've got an M44 that runs over .315", and I've read that some Finn barrels can run less than .308". Best results with cast are usually going to be with bullets that run from .001" to .003" over groove diameter.

Be extremely careful when throwing charges, Bullseye meters very well, but it's dense and it'd be hard to detect a double charge by eyeball, especially in 7.62x54R given how wide the base of the case is (a fatter case means a shorter overall powder column and less height difference between varied powder charges).

What lube are you using? I've mostly switched over to powder coating, but in the past I had good results using liquid Alox, even on bullets that already had conventional lube.

Make sure to thoroughly de-copper your bore before you shoot cast bullets. Even a small amount of copper fouling can cause your bore to lead badly.
 
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I loaded my 1942 Tula with 100 grain .312 coated LRN with Titegroup. I seated these projectiles to the crimp groove. Due to the short OAL these were loaded one at a time and were very enjoyable to plink with. Recoil and report like a 22LR.
 
If you're using cast bullets, the first thing you should do is slug the bore to figure out the bullet size. Cast bullets should be the same size as your groove diameter. 5gr of Bullseye in such a big case seems pretty low and it will be very easy to not detect a double charge. I've used around 3gr to 5gr in M1 carbine using lead bullets (I don't have a semi-automatic version with a gas system to worry about). I would be observant and careful when throwing your powder charges. It would be worthwhile using a chronograph to make sure they're not so slow that they barely escape the muzzle.
 
I have played around with stuff like this extensively over the years. Like others, I am not sure I tried the exact combination that you refer to, but, I have tried something similar.

I am just repeating what has already been posted, but, if this is a Russian rifle, slug the bore. I have slugged a couple 91/30 barrels and they are all over the place. And I am not talking about a couple thousandths. The way I slugged my bores was what I read somewhere on the internet. I used a lead fishing sinker that had a hole through the center of it (where the fishing line threads through it). The idea is that you get some springback when the lead sinker is driven through the bore so the hole through the center gives the lead somewhere to compress to and give you a better measurement. I drove the sinker through the bore with a dowel rod and then carefully measured it with a micrometer. This is one guy's method as an example (not exactly the same thing I did, but close enough):

I did this mainly using a couple Finn M-39s which had much better quality control in the manufacture of the barrels. I have also shot cast bullets with pistol powders in all kinds of other rifles in other calibers. I am by no means an expert and I never got into it enough to try a lot of the "tricks" used by much more serious cast bullet shooters. I never really spent enough time with it to try to achieve really great accuracy. I did get decent accuracy and what I ended up with was adequate for what I was doing with it. But as mentioned, there are guys that are really into cast bullet shooting who know way more about achieving great results rather than just decent results.

Don't forget that if you are loading cast bullets, you need to flare the mouth of the case so the bullet enters the case without shaving lead from the bullet. I am sure you know that flaring the case mouth is part of pistol loading but is not normally done in rifle loading. So, you need to buy another die to do it, with rifles because rifle die sets don't come with a case expanding die. I used a Lyman die for this, called an "M" die https://www.lymanproducts.com/brand...fle-die-sets/rifle-neck-expanding-m-dies.html . Lee also makes a universal case mouth expanding die that is very nice because it is not caliber specific. The Lee die is quite inexpensive and is something handy to have on your reloading bench: https://leeprecision.com/universal-case-expanding-die.html
 
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I did this a few weeks back with both 125gr. and 150gr. Sierra Pro Hunters, over 16gr. of 2400, and a Finnish Mosin 28/30. 10 shots total at 50 yards. Will be repeating the test at 100 with the idea of using this for MBAR matches.
 

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I have slugged the barrel. And have the appropriate size bullets. My cases are prepped and ready to go.I will be charging and seating each one at a time. Then the next and so on. I was just wanting to know if I should seat the bullets to the crimp groove? Or should they be seated longer than that? Also how how high of a charge would be safe to go with bullseye, and a 125 grain cast bullet in a mosin 91/30? Thanks
 
Just an off the cuff opinion.

I would seat them to the crimp groove. You have a small volume of powder inside a large case. I would want to make that case volume as little as possible by seating the bullet deaper and not longer.

Normally, shooting cast bullets with pistol powder is done to achieve very light loads. Personally, I would not be trying to see how fast I can push them. But, that's just me. If I wanted more than that, I would look into Trail Boss powder or do an internet search for "The Load" Which is something I have also played with.
 
Trail boss works great. And I've used many other fast pistol/shotgun powders.
I use that same bullet it recoils like a 22 and is quieter than my air rifle.
 
I would like to thank everybody who responded to my question. I tried out my loads. And I got a really good group. I did seat them to the crimp groove. And crimped them. I used a 7 grain charge of Bullseye and CCI large rifle primer. And used PPU brass. And a 115 grain cast bullet for the .32-20 Winchester. Thanks again.
 
I would like to thank everybody who responded to my question. I tried out my loads. And I got a really good group. I did seat them to the crimp groove. And crimped them. I used a 7 grain charge of Bullseye and CCI large rifle primer. And used PPU brass. And a 115 grain cast bullet for the .32-20 Winchester. Thanks again.
Makes me want to work up some loads for my m44
 
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