7.62x39mm Accuracy

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There are some nice rifles here, I really like that Mauser and Gewher's SKS. I think we are seeing some of the general bias that the Gunny community has against the 7.62x39 and that it is not really the cartridge, but how well built the platform is and what components are loaded in the round.
 
Brian Williams
That Mauser came from Century Arms International in Vermont...was advertised in late 1994 as a Deluxe Sporter in either 7.62x39mm or .308 Win. I ordered one immediatly and waited and waited. A few months later I received a postcard from them saying it would not be available and offered my money back. After a few phone calls with them in which they were very rude I called the Attorney Generals office in Vermont telling them the story. The AG's office called CAI and the next day (March 1995) I received a FAX from Century stating they had the rifle for me and it was shipped out immediatly. To this day I think I might be the only one who actually got one from them in this caliber...I could be wrong.
 
Brian, I believe you've hit the nail on the head.

And some here have a very narrow assessment of how things really work.

I still stand by my claim that the 7.62x39mm is not particularly accurate. DMK uses an AR platform and gets groups of 2-3", would anyone firing a similar .223 Rem.consider that outstanding? Gewehr98 mentions that the 7.62x39 is the parent cartridge of the PPC series, which will routinely shoots one hole groups from good bolt guns, and yet no one here has reported getting better than 1" from this cartridge. I still believe that some cartridges are more inherently accurate than others.
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Go find a guy that has one of those wonderful and rare Ruger Model 77 bolt guns in 7.62x39, or a CZ-527 in the same chambering, and ask him how it works. Now, to answer your claim that no one here on THR has reported getting better than 1" groups from the cartridge, I simply used the search function, and voila':

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=184062

Fellow user Krochus was kind enough to show us his 7.62xz39 CZ-527 100 yard groups:

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Note that this is not a persuasive display of the "inherent accuracy" fallacy. It's just a cartridge and rifle, each well-tuned and matched to the other. Take that same ammo that Krochus fired the excellent, SUB-MOA groups with above and feed it into a sloppy WASR AK variant, and you're probably not going to be posting pictures of the groups online.
 
From my Mauser that is pictured at the beginning of this thread I can easily get sub-minute of angle groups with the Hornady loads at 100 yards if I fire only 3-5 shots on a calm day...the results I pictured were 10-shot groups fired while the wind was blowing about 5-7 mph causing the target backboard to bend backwards intermitently, making the groups open up a bit and I wasn't allowing the barrel to cool down properly. I've easily taken desert jackrabbits at 200 yards out here in California with my SKS so something has to be right with this cartridge!
The key here I guess is for each person to define for himself what accuracy is!
 
.45 Guy
I saw the pics of your Carcano...very interesting and I stand corrected! Certainly it's quite rare!
How was it converted and who did the conversion to 7.62x39mm?
 
I'm on the iPhone now so I'll not go into the whole spheal. But suffice to sai I built a 7.62x39 on a shillen bull barreled Stevens 200 that would shoot Moa with steel cased ammo and would shoot 1/3rd MOA with handloads
 
Nice pics Krochus...but wasn't the A1 lacking forward assist originally?? (my old Colt didn't have it)
"produced my AR in a STD sitting shooting stance"

Sexually Transmitted Disease?????? :what:
 
My 7.62x39 chambered Ruger M77, Leupold 4X scope, Sierra 125sp, AA1680 => 5 rounds into .75" at 100 yds.

The 7.62x39 was the parent cartridge of the 220 Russian, and granddad of the 6PPC.
 
Looking forward to possibly having a CZ 527 in 7.62x39mm in the future, and handloading/casting for it.
vz-58 will not do MOA, nor do I expect it to. :) I can get minute of felon with it no problem.
 
jlmurphy said:
I still stand by my claim that the 7.62x39mm is not particularly accurate. DMK uses an AR platform and gets groups of 2-3", would anyone firing a similar .223 Rem.consider that outstanding? Gewehr98 mentions that the 7.62x39 is the parent cartridge of the PPC series, which will routinely shoots one hole groups from good bolt guns, and yet no one here has reported getting better than 1" from this cartridge. I still believe that some cartridges are more inherently accurate than others.
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I realize this is an old reply I'm quoting but I'm using it as an example to put this thread to rest

Monarch/Barnual 123grn FMJ 100yds
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various handloads 300M
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handloads 100yds
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the rifle
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I would add that WITH Sellior and Bellot (or maybe it was Norinco) ammo, I bested a guy beside me at 75 yards who had a brand new Winchester 94 at Ft Hood Texas one day. (And he was not doing that badly - I was probably about an inch at 75 yards - won't forget it).

I have an SKS Paratrooper with machined trigger guard. Is there an EASY DIY trigger job for this?

Nice SKS rig featured - what is the scope setup???

I GUESS that the SKS is a bit more inherently accurate than the AK?

BUT... last year, I had the same rifle out with Wolf, and it just didn't seem as accurate - i'm older, but I DO think it is the ammo. I should try some factory Rem or Win stuff - maybe I should jet get into hand loading...
 
Krochus ~ you have more $$ in the BOLT HANDLE than most of the 7.62 commie crowd has in the rifle and optics they are comparing.
Nice.
What: Stock, Bolt, Receiver, barrel.
Who did the work?
I like, but I don't think I would ever use that round, no prejudice, just want to work on a 6.5 military offering that ain't a "swede"
 
Incredible groupings, sir. I have some money in my rifle, but not that kind.

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And it doesn't shoot nearly as well, though I haven't tried it actually ON sandbags benched,

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Maybe the 527 will be more accurate at long range. Bought some B-27 targets today, next chance I am gonna run them out to 200 yards, and see if I can keep center of mass hits. With a battle carbine, that will keep me happy. :)
Very nice rifle, sir.
 
my bushmaster ar will shoot wolf black box into 2 inches for 10 shots at a 100 yards all day long. It will shoot handloads using the hornady vmax into an inch and so will my ruger bolt.
 
My AK puts 10-20 round patterns into a 4" group at 100y with a 1x scope. Would be easier if I had more magnification, but eh. Seems accurate enough for anything you'd use an AK for. I had a chance at a 200y range in Arkansas and pulled off a 7" 20-round pattern there, but sadly that group had a couple fliers.
 
I say'd before, I say it again...cartridge has nothing to do with accuracy. The 7.62x39mm may have the trajectory of a ripe punkin' but with the right components it will shoot just as good as the well-respected 7.62x51mm. Might even do a bit better if the trigger puller is a bit recoil shy (of course that is no reflection on the cartridges accuracy potential). ;)
 
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