72 Killed Resisting Gun Confiscation in Boston

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For those who are thinking that we are at bullet box instead of ballot box stage. I have been pretty active in 2A causes for most of my life and while I have recently seen an uptick in the number of 2A supporters at various events it is still a very low number. Up until about 2 years ago I was often the only guy up at the Capitol, and that is in gun friendly Utah.

Our opposition isn't afraid of your revolutionary talk, because if you can't get off your duff to go vote or support a 2A bill in committee, then you won't get of your duff for anything else.
 
You do realize that the Declaration of Independence was written BEFORE we had the power of the vote, do you? Since we won our independence we have not needed to threaten our gov't with our guns.

In the US, we vote. You wanna see people fighting their gov't in the streets with guns? Head to the middle east. In the US, we have a better system. Don't liken us to the middle east.



The gun grabbers are simply exercising their right to free speech. They have a right to do this. If you TRULY believe in freedom, how can you be so mad at people who's views differs from yours? You've got 300 million people living here. We're not all gonna agree on things. Some will disagree with you, and some of those people will be powerful, influential and vocal. That's life in a big country.

But the Supreme Court is there to insure constitutionality as best they can. The system works! Have a little faith in it.
What a joke. The founding fathers put the 2nd in for us to use the guns to prevent the govt from becoming a tyranny. Show me where one of the founding fathers said to vote your way out of a repressive govt. Jefferson said every 20 years there should be an armed revolt. Only a would be tyrant tells you to vote your way out of loss of liberty knowing that the results will be the same no matter who gets in because he is worried about what will happen to him. I am not advocating a revolt because no one will do it but do not say that is the way this country was set up
 
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For those who are thinking that we are at bullet box instead of ballot box stage. I have been pretty active in 2A causes for most of my life and while I have recently seen an uptick in the number of 2A supporters at various events it is still a very low number. Up until about 2 years ago I was often the only guy up at the Capitol, and that is in gun friendly Utah.

Our opposition isn't afraid of your revolutionary talk, because if you can't get off your duff to go vote or support a 2A bill in committee, then you won't get of your duff for anything else.

Along with that, if the status of the Second Amendment is someone's litmus test for starting a revolution, they should take into account that gun rights have had a lot of victories in recent years. We now have CCW in places where it was unthinkable before and we have a Supreme Court ruling that, while not perfect, has put a pretty solid nail in the argument that the Second Amendment was a collective right.
That's more than we had when I was a kid.

For a system that's said to suck so much, maybe it's turning out to be a little more effective than it's given credit for.
 
We could fight a guerilla war succesfully IMO. Maybe not win outright, but at least drag it out (ie Vietnam)

Guerrilla war (insurgencies) aren't won by killing all of your enemy. We're a long way from mass warfare, e.g. Genghis Khan or George Patton.

Insurgencies are won by making the battle too expensive for your opposition to maintain the operation. It is FAR more expensive to guard 1,000 points, not knowing which will be hit, than it is to pick one and hit it. (Look at either the Transportation Security Administration, or Border Patrol, for an valid example of this in modern day real life - or even the "show up and write a report" disposition of all modern metropolitan police forces.

Once upon a time, not so long ago, 19 bad guys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks) caused a wave of counter-events that have cost this country trillions of dollars.

A successful insurgency on home soil doesn't even have to involve bloodshed to be highly effective (although bloodshed increases the shock value; it is a sword without a hilt; dangerous to wield for both aggressor and defender, from a political cost standpoint). Well educated aggressors attacking infrastructure can carry exceptionally high costs from a political and economic standpoint. Oil / natural gas lines, electrical distribution, rail transportation, telecommunications.. all extremely vulnerable and ran through endless miles of unoccupied countryside.

Turn-cloak insurgents also can carry an extremely high cost even when they are located in relatively modest levels of security - E.g. Snowden, Manning.

Ultimately if you want to get a modern government to fail, you have to expense it in to a downward spiral until the government itself becomes too cumbersome to maintain. This holds true even if warfare is the method of causing the collapse. Warfare is expensive and will bankrupt the lessor power, eventually causing defeat.

Then you can have a non-violent victory once the government is bankrupt and form one which is more sensible. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Disobedience_(Thoreau)). Over a century and a half ago, Thoreau postulated that if a sufficient amount of people stopped paying taxes it would force the government to a halt, bring all of the issues to a head, and force a change of power.

The alternative to that is to force the Government to expense itself to death - as you won't find enough traction in the anti-tax movement on a country this size to see his vision to fruition. The other end of the equation is more possible - force the government to spend far more money than they bring in on taxes until it collapses under it's own weight.

They are ALREADY doing that without any push from an insurgency of any sort. Imagine how rapidly it would decline if one were to begin in earnest?

Nay.. the next Revolution doesn't have to be fought with bullets, and smart bombs, and tanks, and jet fighters won't even factor in. The next revolution will begin when the government collapses under it's own weight. The next government that rises from the ashes, depends on who (or what) is in what positions of power when this happens. There will be a very large void, and it will be very chaotic, and blood will be shed by honest and evil, but something new will rise.

For better or worse? We can only wait and see.
 
Sam -- THANKS for that manual. That will make some interesting reading for me on a rainy day some time! Much much appreciated. Comments above from the lone lobbyist also fascinating.
 
Trent -- just read your post. I think you are prescient. The number of people who are absolutely OBLIVIOUS to the coming interest rate bomb is astoounding to me. Even in professional circles. Clueless.
 
Docsleepy - I'm a high school dropout that failed Economics 3 times in high school, who went on to build a multi-million dollar business with no formal education or outside aid. My economic experience is self-taught with real world application and common sense. Something which is sorely lacking in our current leadership.

Point being, take what I say with a grain of salt. :)

Then again, it doesn't take a psychic, or doctorate, to read the tea leaves on what's coming in the near future. The downward spiral has already started, and there's no graceful exit strategy.

I didn't build up my stockpile of guns for me, but rather, my children and their children. Sadly, they'll likely have far more use of them than I do. All I can do is learn, and teach, and pass the skills down.

The reality of it, is this process will be so painfully slow, most people will be truly oblivious to it. Our generation thinks too short term. Long term events pass by without anyone really paying noticing until it's too late. (Housing loan crisis bubble, for example).

There are long-term players with the right mindset, but unfortunately for us, they're overseas. China has a BIG stake in the game right now. They hold 8% of our public debt, which is more than all US households own, combined.

It's entirely possible the shift of power might be beyond our own borders at some point, if things go very south. Whether corporate or foreign power, the center of gravity is slowly shifting as more money exits the country, than flows in.

Just a matter of time. And it's too early to know what things will look like as it evolves.
 
For the revolutionaries: It is far easier to tear something down than to build it up so be careful what you wish for. I own a goodly number of a wide variety of weapons and ammunition, including the means to reload, and I have taken prudent measures to safeguard my family should some type of disaster happen. I spent a lot of time in reflection of what real preparedness is after seeing the devastation left by the flooding here in September, I think people tend to prepare considering a lacking in only one area of infrastructure. After five days of rain those people in the Big Thompson Canyon were lacking in all areas of security with access, power, water, food, and shelter destroyed by the flood waters. This is not to discourage you from preparing, but to broaden your thought process beyond what Hollywood has shown.
 
The Pilipino people stood up (unarmed) against Airplanes, Tanks, and the Army at EDSA Plaza during the "People Power Revolution" and toppled the Marcos regime without a shot being fired. The Army, Air Force, and the National Police (Constabulary) refused to fire on their "Brothers and Sisters".

I would like to think our "citizen" Military would act likewise. But...then there was Kent State, Ruby Ridge, etc.
 
I haven't read every post here so if its been mentioned I apologize. But in the spirit of the first post if you have never seen it try to find a movie called "April Morning". Its still on Netflix. It deals with the beginning of the revolutionary war in Lexington and Concord.
 
The most remarkable point in this thread is this: none of the posters consider themselves to be "the government", all are part of "the governed".

The last election was about whether we were the government or the property of the government.

I think that the consensus points toward the latter.
 
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