777 Powder

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I have been using Pyrodex P in my 1858 and 1860 revolvers. I was told 777 powder is easier to clean and burns better. I thought I would give it a try. However, my owners manual says to use pryodex or black powder only. Does 777 measure out the same as pyrodex (is 25 grains of pyrodex equivalent to 25 grains of 777 powder)? I use about 25 grains in my 1858. What grain should I use with 777?
 
Stick with pyrodex or BP...

Go to the Hodgdon site and read about 777. It says that you shouldn't compress it to the extent you do pyrodex or BP. I think that 10% compression in mentioned somewhere. It seems that pressures go up if you compress 777 powder.
Brian
 
Sundance44s

777 is quite a bit hotter than the other subs ..you`ll need to reduce your charge . best to go to their site and do some reading ..Ive used it and really don`t like it ..it wasn`t very consistant in my cap and ballers . Might be from my compressing ...don`t know .A good friend i shoot with tried it too with the same results as mine ...We both went back to Goex ..been much happier ever since .
 
You almost need a chronograph to use it. It's not quite as predictable as pyrodex. However, by reducing the charges slighlty, It will work very well. I got great results with moderate loads in single shot pistols and later with revolvers. I believe that reducing the charges as they recommend just keeps you from over compressing the stuff. Your 25 grain by volume charge should be just about right. When you lever the ball down into firm contact with the powder colume with little or no compression, it seems to get good accuracy and consistent low velocity spreads. Barrel fouling is so slight that it can virtually be ignored for fairly long shooting sessions and it doesn't tend to gum up the action with extended firing.

It can be kind of odd stuff. I was shooting a .457 ball in my Remington/Uberti and it was spactic at any charge beneath 35 grains. It liked that charge fine:

35 Gr/Vol. H777 1061 28(spread)
A couple of charges worked well with the RamLok Bullet:
RamLok 194 Grain Bullet
30 Gr/Vol. H777 937 30
35 Gr/Vol. H777 1106 33

35gr/vol seems to be the majic number with my ruger old army and .457 balls:
35 Grains Swiss FFFg 1088 90spread 376 ft.lbs.
35 Gr/Vol.H777 1046 89spread ................340
35 Gr/Vol. Pyrodex P 992 88 spread......313
Billy Fiveshooter uses it exclusively in his ultra tight Clements 50 old army conversion and shoots some amazingly small groups.
 
It's the best of the modern black powder substitutes. I still prefer real black powder (Goex, mostly), but 777 is my choice if for some reason I can't use the real stuff.

777 meters very well, and looks and feels like black powder. It is less dense, meaning a given volume of 777 will weigh quite a bit less than an equivalent volume of black powder. That means more charges per pound, since you load 777 by volume, just as you do black powder.

777 also burns hotter, though -- about 15% hotter by most accounts. That makes it great for hunting rifles, but not so great if you're trying to achieve moderate velocities. To get the same velocity as black powder, you need to reduce the charge (by volume) about 15%. Thus, if you were loading 2.2 cc of black powder, you'd load just 1.9 cc of 777 for the same velocity.

As with black powder, you shouldn't leave an air space. Compression is not necessary, but light to moderate compression works well.

777 does not contain sulfur, so it lacks that rotten egg smell characteristic of real black powder. It also produces a lot less fouling, however, so you have to clean less often, and get less accuracy degradation than you do with black powder.
 
I wasn't too impressed with 777 in handguns. It seems very sensitive to compression. I was getting wild groups with any charge weight I tried. I shoot mostly single shot muzzleloaders and it's hard to be very precise when trying for light compression with a tight fitting PRB. It did a little better in my Uberti 1858, but I still couldn't get it to group as good as Goex.

In rifles though, it worked well. Fast, hot, clean and relatively accurate. I'd be tempted to use it for hunting if I didn't already have so much real BP on hand.
 
When using Triple Seven in a cartridge, use only FFg (two F).

No compression, just seat the bullet on the powder.

Clean guns with hot soapy water. Oil with Ballistol.
 
Sundance44s

I`ve loaded the 777 in 45 lc cases and the groups suck in my remmies with conversion cylinder and in my 1894 Marlin . ...don`t get me wrong though ..if you were loading it for a SASS match it would be fine ... i just shoot much smaller targets and want tight groups .
 
I like it

Yeah, it is a bit hotter. But all the weapons I fire it in but one it works great with. The one exception so far is the .22 companion NAA.

I think that a little overcompression is not a lot different than a lot of overcompression with that small of a chamber.

It does work well in the pietta .36s with moderate loads. good in the smoothbore .36 and .31 derringers, as well.

I am thinking of getting some ffg for the .50 bobcat. Oh, yeah, it cleans up really easy.
 
Triple Seven in Cap and Ball

Howdy,

Here's my two cents...

I've used both Goex fff BP and Triple Seven fff in Pietta 1858 Remmies and Colt 1860 C&Bs with 5 1/2 inch barrels. I use .454 ball with "wonder wads" and get a nice lead ring on loading. Number 11 Remington caps using TRM stainless replacement nipples. With black powder I use a "35 Gr." spout which actually throws a measured 30-32 Gr. black. For Triple Seven use a "30 Gr" spout which actually throws about 28-29 Gr. Get a clear graduated powder measure and check your spouts to see what the really throw. I don't have a chrony but the two loads seem about the same. Point of impact was the same as was recoil and accuracy. I'm using a cylinder loader to save wear and tear on the gun's loading lever and improve consistancy. I really recommend this. My accuracy greatly improved loading the cylinder off the revolver. Powder Inc. makes a great one, Dick Castardly w/Big Lube sells 'em.
Get yourself one, seriously.;)

I like Triple Seven when I have to shoot at an indooor range. The Remmie shoots a little cleaner and longer before cleaning, the Colt don't care since I'm pulling it apart to reload anyway.

777 is easy to find compaired to black powder. Keep your charges in the 25-28 Gr. range and don't over-compress and all should be well. :)

Happy Trails,

Cincinnati Slim
 
My experience has been that Triple-Seven is a good "black powder
cartridge" powder but it is not as forgiving as Pyrodex RS if you
compress it--point of impact may vary slightly. I cannot think of
anyway to get consistent compression with a muzzleloader rifle,
although you do have more control over the amount of compression
with a cap'n'ball revolver, so my use: Triple-Seven for cartridges,
Pyrodex RS for muzzleloader rifle and black powder FFFg for cap'n'ball
revolver.
 
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