There's been several threads lately about the quality and late model 870's and prices for old ones. You may also have noticed I frequently recommend to buy used if possible (I'm a pawn shop fan myself). We'll I followed my own advice today and added another 870. This one is an older 870 12 gauge with a 28" modified choke vent rib barrel. Serial number is 11540xxV (don't know what year that is but I'm guessing at least 30 years old). All in all, it was in pretty good condition. It certainly has some wear marks, but overall looks good. It was extremely dirty so I gave it a thorough cleaning tonight. I was able to get it for $240 out the door. They also had an older model express right beside it that could be have been taken for $210 otd, but alas, it had a rust spot on about the size of a quarter on the receiver (I guess the previous owner didn't oil it down). I'm posting this message to give others hope that you don't have to buy new...Older is better and cheaper! Here's a pic.