92 models + BHP clones
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I have a Taurus PT-99, same gun as the 92, but with adjustable sights. Great gun, very reliable, cheaper than the Beretta, lifetime warranty, cocked & locked carry option.
I think the most popular BHP clones are the FEG models. I just saw a used one in good shape at a show for $225.
I think the most popular BHP clones are the FEG models. I just saw a used one in good shape at a show for $225.
10-Ring
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I have not experience w/ the BHP clones, but I will add my 2 cents worth on the Tauri. From what I've seen, if you get a good one, you'll be happy with it. The problem w/ Taurus is that they haven't mastered the QC..yet. I owned a Taurus semi auto (still have a Taurus wheelgun) and was disappointed with it.
If you like the Taurus & can get a good deal on it & you can try it out first to make sure all's well, you should be satisfied w/ it. Me, I'll stick w/ Beretta
If you like the Taurus & can get a good deal on it & you can try it out first to make sure all's well, you should be satisfied w/ it. Me, I'll stick w/ Beretta
Longbow
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My PT 92 Tauri is one of my best buy, I paid $260 for it OTD, ' came with 3 hi-caps and original box.
Its very reliable. Some months ago, I had some reloads with high primers that won't fire on my Glock 17, but the Tauri takes all of 'em w/o a hitch.
As for Taurus vs. Beretta, I'll go with the Taurus. I think it got everything the Beretta should have.
I've personally seen 3 beretta's now w/ broken locking block, but no Taurus's yet.
As for the BHP clone, I used to own an FEG, I was happy with it but I sold it because of monetary reason. I'de buy one again if I see one for $200, that's what I paid for mine.
Its very reliable. Some months ago, I had some reloads with high primers that won't fire on my Glock 17, but the Tauri takes all of 'em w/o a hitch.
As for Taurus vs. Beretta, I'll go with the Taurus. I think it got everything the Beretta should have.
I've personally seen 3 beretta's now w/ broken locking block, but no Taurus's yet.
As for the BHP clone, I used to own an FEG, I was happy with it but I sold it because of monetary reason. I'de buy one again if I see one for $200, that's what I paid for mine.
clubsoda22
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I had a choice between a taurus and a beretta and i took the taurus because it was less expensive and had a safety lever on the frame, where it should be.
I have never looked back.
I have never looked back.
as much as i love my beretta, the taurus' safety system is just superior. the option of cocked and locked should not be overlooked or discounted. and the frame mounted safety will always be the fastest to disengage
the p-35 (HP's military designation)has been produced by numerous coutries as their standard military sidearm...it has armed the vast majority of western armed forces. the best surplus ones i have seen were the argentine one captured, and restored, by the british during the falklands war.
there is a new p-35 clone on the market from charles daly...the shotgun folks...it comes with improved sights (XS), extended thumb safety, ring hammer and working stocks
the p-35 (HP's military designation)has been produced by numerous coutries as their standard military sidearm...it has armed the vast majority of western armed forces. the best surplus ones i have seen were the argentine one captured, and restored, by the british during the falklands war.
there is a new p-35 clone on the market from charles daly...the shotgun folks...it comes with improved sights (XS), extended thumb safety, ring hammer and working stocks
igor
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I repeat myself, but I'm with the Taurus 92 crowd...
Got a 99 myself, the rear sight is an achilles' heel. I shoot IPSC with mine, got three original 15-rd mags and just got a couple of 17-rd Mec-gars this summer. Outside dimensions are the same.
Longbow, I broke the locking block on my Taurus. After 20.000+ rounds thru it in about ten years. The next one I'll replace after 10.000 and be well served. By then, maybe, the barrel will also start to show signs of wear (?). Now it's still loose and rattly as new (you with one will get it ;D ) but shoots 2" groups from 25 meters.
I'd love to get a new 92 BNS slide for mine. Both the Finnish "importer" and Taurus's customer "service" in Miami are useless for this. Anyone in the know of a dealer stateside that would be capable of sending one across the world as a matter of business as usual?
Got a 99 myself, the rear sight is an achilles' heel. I shoot IPSC with mine, got three original 15-rd mags and just got a couple of 17-rd Mec-gars this summer. Outside dimensions are the same.
Longbow, I broke the locking block on my Taurus. After 20.000+ rounds thru it in about ten years. The next one I'll replace after 10.000 and be well served. By then, maybe, the barrel will also start to show signs of wear (?). Now it's still loose and rattly as new (you with one will get it ;D ) but shoots 2" groups from 25 meters.
I'd love to get a new 92 BNS slide for mine. Both the Finnish "importer" and Taurus's customer "service" in Miami are useless for this. Anyone in the know of a dealer stateside that would be capable of sending one across the world as a matter of business as usual?
SouthpawShootr
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I have a Taurus 92 and a Beretta 92FS Inox. I'll tell you right off that the Beretta has a better finished, smoother, and more refined design. This is about what I expect since the Beretta product was almost $350 more than the Taurus. Both are about equivalent with accuracy as well as reliability (I don't recall ever having a malfunction with either). I would probably give Taurus a bit more points for the location of the safety/hammer drop. You really to try them both before deciding. The Taurus will give you a perfectly serviceable gun for a good price. The Beretta will be almost identical, much more expensive, and a little more refined. Both designs have about the same weak points due to common design heritage (both Beretta and Taurus are well-known for locking block failures).
Really, the only criticism I have is that I wish both would dispense with the integral front sights and dovetail the damn things.
Really, the only criticism I have is that I wish both would dispense with the integral front sights and dovetail the damn things.
igor
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What Southpaw says. Taurus materials are notably cheaper than Beretta's - a gunsmith was LOL when he drilled a hole on my Taurus 99 slide (to reattach the 
rear sight on the slide) saying it was like putting the drill on cheese 
whereas pistol slides tend to be pretty tough steel.
Having said that, though, it doesn't seem to affect the overall serviceability of the Tauri.
rear sight on the slide) saying it was like putting the drill on cheese whereas pistol slides tend to be pretty tough steel. Having said that, though, it doesn't seem to affect the overall serviceability of the Tauri.
TheLastBoyScout
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at about which price point would you guys on this board go for a Beretta over a PT?
In my area there's only like a $50-$100 diff btwn the two.
In my area there's only like a $50-$100 diff btwn the two.
jar
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The HP clones are the ARCUS 94 and the FEG PJK 9HP. KBI was the importer of the FEG and now that they own Charles daly, I expect that the CD HP will be very similar to the FEG. There is also the FMs from Argentina.
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Hello. I have an old PT-92 and the link below relates my observations.
http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/TaurusPT92.htm
Best.
http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/TaurusPT92.htm
Best.
igor
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Boyscout, I wouldn't. Price was never an issue... it's the safety lever's location and direction of function.
SouthpawShootr
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Hey got a question for other Taurus owners that might interest N3rday also. The manual for the PT-92 states (at least mine does) that you should always lower the hammer under thumb pressure when using the hammer drop. How many of you just let the hammer snap forward and how many have had damage because of it?
igor
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The very little that I do decock I just let it snap down. No damage yet.
My 99 will let the safety be swept all the way down on a decocked gun so I snap it back to half-cock after decocking (so that I can apply the safety even when holstering hammer "down". It's an anal-retentive thing, I know.) That way the safety will only go to "fire" when presenting the gun. Yes, obviously one can sweep it down again while pulling the trigger but I've ingrained it deeply in muscle memory not to use the safety as a thumb shelf.
My 99 will let the safety be swept all the way down on a decocked gun so I snap it back to half-cock after decocking (so that I can apply the safety even when holstering hammer "down". It's an anal-retentive thing, I know.) That way the safety will only go to "fire" when presenting the gun. Yes, obviously one can sweep it down again while pulling the trigger but I've ingrained it deeply in muscle memory not to use the safety as a thumb shelf.
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