9mm AR - soot on my shoulder?

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Two of the reasons I tried W244 was the clean burning and the low flash. It definitely does work as advertised.
If Power Pistol has that much flash I will definitely pass. When I started using W244 the first thing I noticed was the lack of flash. The second was how clean the cases were after firing.
I am not familiar at all with “Promo” powder. Who makes it?
Never mind. I looked it up. Alliant.
Kind of like Universal, it’s a shotgun powder. I still don’t know how Hodgdon shifted the names and formulas around from Universal Clays to Universal and Clays. I guess it doesn’t matter. Universal is a pretty good pistol powder.
 
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I am not familiar at all with “Promo” powder. Who makes it?
Promo is made by Alliant - https://www.alliantpowder.com/products/powder/promo.aspx

It has same burn rate as Red Dot but Alliant recommends we use Red Dot load data by weight:

"Promo has the same burn speed as Red Dot, but is more dense, thus requiring a smaller bushing to obtain the same charge weight."​
I was initially introduced to Promo during the "Great Shortage" of 2012-2013 and those in my group buy wanted me to be the guinea pig to try it. Unfortunately it only comes in 8 lb container but was very cheap at around $80. Since I liked Red Dot for 45ACP and 9mm, I figured since I couldn't find more popular powders, like Red Dot, why not and gave it a try.

Like Red Dot, Promo turned out to be a great powder for lighter recoil target loads as expressed by these groups shot from railed Sig 1911 XO loaded with MBC 12 BHN 200 gr SWC (Bullseye #1) loaded to 1.240"-1.245" - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...omo-reloading-range-test.578444/#post-9415802

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Well, I am on my 5th 8 lb container of Promo (I did PIF and shared quite a bit with others) and like it quite a bit for 45ACP and 9mm (In a snap, I could use it for 40S&W but at low charge loads to tame the snappy recoil) and is my "general purpose" range blasting powder, especially designated for PCC loads along with W231/HP-38 which is my reference pistol powder for lighter target loads (BE-86/WSF are designated for 40S&W and for higher velocity defensive loads).

Initially, Promo looked like crinkly Red Dot without the red colored flakes and large round flakes added and metered similar to Red Dot with 0.2+ gr variance. Since I liked the low velocity variance (Low SD numbers), I kept asking Paul from @Alliant Reloading to make Promo meter better and we got our wish when Promo was reblended with mostly flat round flakes which metered better now with around .12 gr variance similar to W231/HP-38 - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...blended-promo-for-more-accurate-loads.841097/

BTW, here's chrono numbers showing low velocity variance (13 fps/16 fps) which is key at 50-100 yards due to bullet drop and also express reverse temperature sensitivity of Promo (Higher velocities at lower temps) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...n-9mm-40s-w-45acp.799231/page-4#post-10338994
  • 100 gr RMR HM RN 4.5-4.7 gr Promo @ 1.050": 1478-1475-1480-1471-1467 fps (58 F - JR carbine)
  • 100 gr RMR HM RN 4.5-4.7 gr Promo @ 1.050": 1458-1450-1445-1442-1448 fps (71 F - JR carbine)
If you reference current USPSA PCC division powders used by match shooters, they are all fast burning powders (Similar to Promo/Red Dot) and my guess is they all arrived at the same conclusion I did regarding blowback PCC application of faster burning powders producing smaller groups likely from sealing high pressure gas better with case mouth/neck expansion to chamber walls for more consistent chamber pressures before bolt/buffer moves back (Hence cleaner/less sooty cases) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/9mm-target-load.927857/page-5#post-12846195
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Awesome info, guys, and I appreciate it. But, guardrails. Has anybody had soot on their shoulder from a 9mm AR? I am still wondering how this is possible, if anyone has insight. :)
 
Awesome info, guys, and I appreciate it. But, guardrails. Has anybody had soot on their shoulder from a 9mm AR? I am still wondering how this is possible, if anyone has insight. :)
No. Sorry for the diversion.

What does the rear of your stock look like?
 
Totally normal, Pat. It’s really weird… it’s like a jet of soot is shooting out of the stock drain hole. The screw is tight and the stock is tight to the buffer tube and receiver. Never seen anything like it. I haven’t had a chance to take it all the way down and clean it yet but hopefully I can find a reason. It seems from the responses that no one has encountered this problem though, which is both good and bad!
 
Totally normal, Pat. It’s really weird… it’s like a jet of soot is shooting out of the stock drain hole. The screw is tight and the stock is tight to the buffer tube and receiver. Never seen anything like it. I haven’t had a chance to take it all the way down and clean it yet but hopefully I can find a reason. It seems from the responses that no one has encountered this problem though, which is both good and bad!
I know I have never heard of this happening. The reason I asked about the stock was if it was one of those stocks with an opening in the rear for the buffer tube. And that maybe a small in the buffer tube was allowing gas to leak out. It was a long shot.
 
I think that’s gotta be it. I’ve been thinking about switching out the A1 stock for a collapsible, which would solve the problem too. Or I can just go back to wearing black shirts at the range! Thanks guys!
 
I can just go back to wearing black shirts at the range
Or wear white shirts and do several mag dumps to create "custom pattern" shirts to proudly start a new pro 2A fashion trend ... Like people who drive around with mud covered, bedliner covered, camo covered 4x4s.

When wife wanted a new truck for retirement, we got Ram 4x4 EcoDiesel with Outdoorsman package and it came with "mud colored" seats, door panels, headliner, dash, steering wheel, carpet and rubber floor mats (just about everywhere you could get mud on). After first trip to the mountain in the rain, we didn't mind the mud smear on rubber mats. Now, if it had mud colored spray on bedliner ... ;)

Maybe they should sell "distressed" AR receivers with "scratched finish" like "distressed jeans" with faded wear already built in ... 😆
 
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