9mm Carbine options

[epijunkie67]

Hey guys, lately I've been wanting to get a couple of silenced weapons. I have a friend with a couple of silenced .22 pistols and recently he showed me a silenced M1A. With subsonic ammo the action cycling made more noise than the shot itself. So now I've kind of got the fever.

But I got to thinking. Using subsonic ammo there doesn't seem like there would be a big difference between 147 grain 9mm and 157 grain .308. So I've been leaning more toward getting a 9mm carbine instead.

To that end, suggestions for a good suppressed carbine action? On Youtube I've seen everything from mp5s to pistols and even a keltec sub 2000 in 9mm.

I've already kind of looked at the mp5 and Uzi. What I'm looking for is light, semiauto, 9mm, and as reasonably quiet as I can make it running a dry can. What about an AR with a 9mm upper?

Price range is $1500 to $2000 total. Uses would be for range and home defense, because if I ever had to fire a gun indoors I'd like to be able to hear afterwards. Suggestions?

 

[SabbathWolf]

Something like this?

 

[epijunkie67]

Yeah, something like that. I'm not married to a particular platform. I do like a real buttstock and not just a skinny wireframe deal. I would prefer something with 20 mags but could deal with something smaller if it meant getting a better overall package.

 

[SabbathWolf]

Well, the Cx4 can do what you want in a smaller package than an AR platform.
It's also lighter weight than an UZI and readily takes 30 Beretta factory mags.
It's also user friendly for mounting Red-dot sights and lights...and it's less expensive than an MP5, yet much better quality than keltec.

 

[dprice3844444]

http://mechtechsys.com/

 

[epijunkie67]

SabbathWolf, if you've been around other suppressed rifles how well does the Cx4 suppress compared to other carbines? Does the suppressor effect the functioning or increase the rate of malfunction? If I do decide to buy a suppressed weapon it will likely become my home defense weapon of choice. Although the likelihood that I'll ever actually need it is low I'll still be trusting my life to it.

 

[jmorris]

I did a form 1 can for a 9mm AR upper that is very quite but even without the can an AR is not as light as something like a Marlin camp 9. The flip side is that it's a lot stronger.

 

[SabbathWolf]

SabbathWolf, if you've been around other suppressed rifles how well does the Cx4 suppress compared to other carbines? Does the suppressor effect the functioning or increase the rate of malfunction? If I do decide to buy a suppressed weapon it will likely become my home defense weapon of choice. Although the likelihood that I'll ever actually need it is low I'll still be trusting my life to it.

I've honestly never fired a Cx4 suppressed.
Anything I said would "not" be first hand info.
Other people have however with success.
If you are interested in the Cx4, I'd visit some of the Beretta forums.

 

[boricua9mm]

For your budget, you can get into an MP5 clone. They are extremely soft shooting, very accurate and they suppress very well. There's a couple of things to look out for when buying a clone, but to me they are well worth the price of admission. In my opinion they are the Cadillac of shoulder fired 9mms.

 

[Pilot]

What are the better MP5 clones, and where do you buy them? Thanks.

 

[boricua9mm]

Relevant thread here: http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-clone-talk/158111-truth-about-clone-business-who-alive-well-who-not.html

Here's a quick "What to Look For" overview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fkSoZcw0UQ

Basically, you've got production guns like Special Weapons, Coharie, Bobcat, Bellator, MKE, etc. They may be in need of some fine tuning. For most of those production clones, warranty support is practically null and void, so think of it as a DIY proposition. Then, you've got your custom builds which sometimes can be found in-stock at vendors like HKParts.net. You could also get a parts kit together and send it out to get built up. RCM parts is a highly recommended source for parts, whether for complete builds or for fine-tuning of production grade clones.

HTH

 

[SabbathWolf]

Relevant thread here: http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-clone-talk/158111-truth-about-clone-business-who-alive-well-who-not.html

Here's a quick "What to Look For" overview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fkSoZcw0UQ

Basically, you've got production guns like Special Weapons, Coharie, Bobcat, Bellator, MKE, etc. They may be in need of some fine tuning. For most of those production clones, warranty support is practically null and void, so think of it as a DIY proposition. Then, you've got your custom builds which sometimes can be found in-stock at vendors like HKParts.net. You could also get a parts kit together and send it out to get built up. RCM parts is a highly recommended source for parts, whether for complete builds or for fine-tuning of production grade clones.

HTH

I have a real HK 45acp pistol, and wanted to do a real HK 45acp USC to UMP conversion one time to go with it...until I figured out it would cost me over $3500 to do it.
That project got placed on the back burner for a while until I strike it rich or something.

 

[boricua9mm]

I have a real HK 45acp pistol, and wanted to do a real HK 45acp USC to UMP conversion one time to go with it...until I figured out it would cost me over $3500 to do it.
That project got placed on the back burner for a while until I strike it rich or something.

Those New Age HK conversions are a bird of another feather for sure; the parts are much more rare and expensive, and IIRC, there is a plastic welding technique involved to correct the back end. It's really something that requires extremely specialized labor which only a fistfull can provide. Of course, in order to restore their evil characteristics you also need to play the 922(r) game, same as with the MP5 clones. As far as a real German MP5 SBR, you can figure around $5k for that project.

 

[SabbathWolf]

Those New Age HK conversions are a bird of another feather for sure; the parts are much more rare and expensive, and IIRC, there is a plastic welding technique involved to correct the back end. It's really something that requires extremely specialized labor which only a fistfull can provide. Of course, in order to restore their evil characteristics you also need to play the 922(r) game, same as with the MP5 clones. As far as a real German MP5 SBR, you can figure around $5k for that project.

Yeah, no kiddin'!
A true MP5 would be awesome, but geeze, I sure don't have that kind of budget!

 

[JustinJ]

I have a real HK 45acp pistol, and wanted to do a real HK 45acp USC to UMP conversion one time to go with it...until I figured out it would cost me over $3500 to do it.
That project got placed on the back burner for a while until I strike it rich or something.

Were you going to go the plastic weld route? Because with a stock block you can do it for a LOT less than that if you shop around for parts. I think mine came in at about $2300 but that does not include short barrel or tax stamp to SBR it.

 

[rjrivero]

I prefer a 9mm Carbine to be able to take the same magazines as a pistol.

I have a Marlin Camp .45 that uses the 1911 magazines, and I have an AR that uses the Glock Magazines.

This one is a 9mm AR on a Lone Wolf Dist. Lower. It has a perm attached muzzle device that brings the OAL to 16.25" for the barrel, but still fits a 9mm Suppressor under the handguard.

One tax stamp, and legal in states that allow Silencers, but not SBR's. (built for my brother in Michigan.)

 

[SabbathWolf]

Were you going to go the plastic weld route? Because with a stock block you can do it for a LOT less than that if you shop around for parts. I think mine came in at about $2300 but that does not include short barrel or tax stamp to SBR it.

Which way I went was really going to depend on parts availability when I finally had the money together. Now-a-days, I have no idea what route I'd take. I haven't looked at that project in quite a while. The stock block was my prefered method though. It just looked easier to me.

It's my understanding though that the lower receivers are getting harder and harder to come by now.
It "may" already be a lost cause for all I'd currently know.
And....I "still" don't have that kind of cash now either....lol

I'm pretty darn happy with my Cx4 to be honest. It's an awesome lil shooter.
But, a USC/UMP would still have been really cool!
I probably will end up looking at it like women, and just consider it one of the ones that got away.....

 

[tarosean]

Were you going to go the plastic weld route?

what do you mean?

 

[JustinJ]

Quote:
Were you going to go the plastic weld route?

what do you mean?

Some have purchased demilled UMP receivers, taken the back side where the stock attaches, cut off the rear of the USC receiver, and then plastic welded the two pieces together so the USC has a tradition folding stock. I think they use a soldering iron. Takes a brave sold to cut the rear off the receiver of a $1,500 dollar gun.

 

[tarosean]

^that cannot be good for resale value...

Course some people are retarded and think they can get the same kind of money for their customized crap.... ESP those kool krylon camo jobs.. Lol

 

[hapidogbreath]

300 BLK all U need is a new upper. Put a can on it and its real quiet and you can do all kinds of neat stuff with it due to it being an AR platform. You can go Super Sonic with 110 GR or load it down to sub or boost the weight up to 220 GR. That is if you already have an AR. No new mags or bolt carrier. Also no new training.I have shot the Storm ( Patrol Duty Rifle ) and am not impressed with its performance or ergonomics. Small hands make it difficult to manipulated the controls. Hope this helps.

 

[boricua9mm]

^that cannot be good for resale value...

Course some people are retarded and think they can get the same kind of money for their customized crap.... ESP those kool krylon camo jobs.. Lol

After a USC is converted to UMP configuration, it goes from a $1300 rifle to a ~$3500 rifle. Why? Because what people wanted all along was a civilian legal UMP, not thr b@$tardized USC.

 

[SabbathWolf]

After a USC is converted to UMP configuration, it goes from a $1300 rifle to a ~$3500 rifle. Why? Because what people wanted all along was a civilian legal UMP, not thr b@$tardized USC.

YEP!!!!

 

[tarosean]

After a USC is converted to UMP configuration, it goes from a $1300 rifle to a ~$3500 rifle. Why? Because what people wanted all along was a civilian legal UMP, not thr b@$tardized USC.

I get that, with one thats been properly converted... Im talking about the plastic welded version mentioned above..

 

[IslandTimes]

From what I've seen, due to it's difficulty, the plastic weld versions are not hack jobs done at home. There's only a couple people who do it, with the work being professionally done, making the gun look like the real deal when finished. A normal conversion ups the value of these guns, but the plastic weld job makes them the $3500 guns.