9mm NATO ammo in past years

[peacebutready]

Was our 9mm NATO ammo a number of years ago truncated cone rather than round nose? I may remember that but I'm not sure.

Cheers

 

[481]

I was wondering the same thing just last week. My recollection (very fuzzy) was that perhaps that it was issued to the USAF for some reason (trial period or something like that).

It's been driving me nuts.

 

[jonnyc]

No Nato-spec ammo has had a truncated bullet.

 

[Certaindeaf]

The 9x19 started out with a truncated bullet.. it wasn't Nato then. No Nato then.

 

[Seven High]

I remember reading somewhere that the USAF did some tests with truncated 9mm bullets in the past. They were rejected for some unknown reason. IMO the truncated bullet would have been a better choice than the round nose.

 

[jonnyc]

To refine my answer a bit.......there have been non-standard truncated bullets loaded into Nato-marked cases, but they are not Nato-spec or Nato-standard loads.

 

[Jim Watson]

The USAF led the charge to the 9mm in the early 1980s. The .38 revolvers they had carried in lieu of .45 autos were wearing out at an alarming rate and they wanted to modernize.
Kind of like the M16; the USAF being the first user of the Mattel, too.

They developed a truncated cone bullet in cahoots with Hornady. You can still buy the type.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/11...iameter-124-grain-full-metal-jacket-flat-nose

But they had to give up on that and go to a conventional roundnose to improve feeding in all the many 9mm pistols and submachineguns that our allies issued and which we would be expected to supply ammo for in case of war.

So yes, there was a USGI truncated cone 9mm but no, it was not adopted and did not make it to NATO status.

 

[481]

That load (the 124 gr FMJFP launched at ~1250fps) had to be one helluva penetrator against soft tissue- like 31" to 32".(according to the Schwartz and MacPherson models, respsectively)

 

[9mmepiphany]

That bullet has an interesting history as it was patterned after the .45 ACP 200gr H&G bullet that was very popular with the USPSA/IPSC crowd at the time...it's reputation was as a very accurate slug

 

[AABEN]

I had some 9mm that was made by IMI that was die cut. I can not find any more of them. they shoot good and feed good. I would like to find about 5000 of them.

 

[Steve C]

US 125gr "NATO" 9mm is just one of the types of NATO ammo that's being produced. I don't believe the US military ever purchased any 9mm ammo with truncated cone type bullets though they may have in small quantities for some special application or for testing.

 

[jyo]

The theory was the 9mm lacked stopping power in its FMJRN form, so they experimented with a FMJFP (flat-point)---couldn't use hollow-points---the flat-point didn't work any better than the round-nose and was given up---I don't believe NATO ever adopted any.

 

[David E]

The theory was the 9mm lacked stopping power in its FMJRN form, so they experimented with a FMJFP (flat-point)

At the time, to address concerns anout the loss of stopping power going from .45 to 9mm, they touted the truncated cone 9mm to have the "same lethality as .45 ball."

Yeah, ok.

 

[peacebutready]

I have truncated cone 124gr (Fiocchi) and 147gr (American Eagle). I was just fuzzy about NATO ones.

Thanks for the replies.

 

[peacebutready]

At the time, to address concerns anout the loss of stopping power going from .45 to 9mm, they touted the truncated cone 9mm to have the "same lethality as .45 ball."

Yeah, ok.

Something I never read anywhere when comparing 9mm to .45 is if a 9mm is landed on target, how long does it stun in order to give you time for a follow-up shot. That's something to consider when choosing between the two rounds.

 

[C0untZer0]

Stun ???

 

[solvability]

I believe German 9mm in WWII was truncated cone and I believe it was tested and the TC rounds penetrated in more of a straight line which may or may not be better on the opponent.

 

[David E]

Something I never read anywhere when comparing 9mm to .45 is if a 9mm is landed on target, how long does it stun in order to give you time for a follow-up shot.

Probably because it's a preposterous supposition.

That's something to consider when choosing between the two rounds.

Something better to consider is practicing enough so the difference, if any, isn't enough to matter.

 

[David E]

I believe German 9mm in WWII was truncated cone and I believe it was tested and the TC rounds penetrated in more of a straight line which may or may not be better on the opponent.

They may or may not have had it, but they certainly had RN.

 

[Certaindeaf]

I think the German army stopped using the truncated (278F) bullet in 9x19 in 1916.
I think they started using it in 1903 or 04.