A "2-for-1" Rifle ???

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On another thread, "Woof" brings up the worthy topic of the new "managed recoil" ammo, which is essentially factory ammo in certain calibers that has been downloaded for less recoil while still having a viable degree of performance. As "Woof" pointed out, this would seem to give the shooter "2 guns in 1". It certainly gives the country's many non-reloaders a great opportunity to dispense with the recoil of the heavier calibers in use today without trading their rifles off.

"Managed recoil" ammo is available for both the .308 and the .30/06 (among other calibers). At present, Remington offers both with a 125gr. bullet with a MV of 2660fps. About the closest commercial caliber to that is the .257 Roberts and, of course, the Roberts is a superb deer caliber that is much easier on the shooter than the standard .308 or .30/06 loads. Remington's comparative ballistics show that whereas the Roberts is a bit flatter-shooting after 200yds. That could be considered a moot point as 200yds is a pretty handy effective range.

For the comparatively small number of American hunters who will hunt both deer and elk, I agree with "Woof" that they could get a 7mm/08, a .308, or a .30/06 and - with the use of the "managed recoil" ammo - they would indeed get two highly usable guns in one... a comfortable and effective deer gun and, with full loads, a gun capable of elk and larger game.

But for the comparatively large percentage of American hunters who will never shoot anything bigger than deer, hogs or black bear - the "managed recoil" ammo for calibers like the 7mm/08, the .308 and the .30/06 does not really give them "2 guns in 1" - it merely turns a largeer caliber with excess power and recoil that they don't need into ONE gun that will suit their primary use very well withOUT having to reload and withOUT excess recoil - and those are two big PLUSES for most American hunters.

But is there such a thing as a "2 guns in 1" caliber for the typical American hunter? Yep, more than one, in fact. But to illustrate I'll pick just one, the one I'm most familiar with, the .243.

Again using Remington's comparative ballistics, one can see that the 50gr. Accutip bullet from a .22/250 (a superb Varmint caliber) and the 75gr. Accutip from the .243 are quite close. Though the .22/250 will start out faster that velocity difference shrinks and turns around quickly - and since the .55-grainer weighs less and is losing velocity faster it is more vunerable to the nasty tricks of the winds. Thus the . 243, even with factory ammo, can certainly be considered a premium Varmint caliber. And that is very good news for Joe Typical who shoots a lot of lead at a lot of varmints.

The "other gun" provided by the .243 is, of course, the deer gun - and that's good because the usual hunting uses Joe Typical finds for his centerfires are Varmints and Deer. That makes two guns that can be used for two different but likely and common, purposes by one heck of a lot of hunters.

And here is the surprise (for some, anyway) ... The energy of the 95gr. Accutip bullet from the .243 can be compared almost identically to the load Remington lists for the 140gr. PSP from the 6.5x55 Swede.... however the .243 is quite a bit faster (speed kills ;)) and thus has somewhat flatter trajectory and thus a somewhat longer range (though the "longer range" is beyond what most deer are shot at). That should give those who are fans of the 6.5 Swede (myself included) a good (and possibly "new") perspective on the .243. With that said - it's clear the "2nd gun" offered the American hunter by the .243 (and a few other similar calibers) is a premium deer rifle - and that is something a great many American hunters can (and actually will) put to use every year.


Now - before the usual small covey of THR flamers begin their weeping and wailing that I am besmirching their beloved '06 - I will direct them back to reread the third (3rd) paragraph - probably several times, as necessary. The "mangaged recoil" ammo is indeed a really good thing for the many, many, many users of those calibers who don't happen to reload but do get to hunt deer AND larger game.

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But is there such a thing as a "2 guns in 1" caliber for the typical American hunter?

Yes... the Colt .45 is exactly that.

It is more like several guns in 1 caliber. You can load down to light plinkers, you can load mid-grade for small-med game, or you can load it hotter than a 44 mag for woods defense or larger game hunting.

As for rifles, I think the 30-06 is most likely the more diverse option... especially if you reload. The close runner up is the 308. The 06 can go very light and mellow, but it also has a larger case volume to press nasty long range duty loads.
 
Unless the shooter is particularly recoil sensitive, why bother with a reduced recoil load? Why not just go ahead and use the same 150 grain '06 load you've used since 1970 to get your deer this year?
In all seriousness, nearly every hunter I know only shoots one three-shot group the week before deer season starts, just to check zero. Then they might shoot two or three more shots during the actual season.
Five rounds per year.
No long weekends spent at the range with the intention of honing their shooting and hunting skills, just five rounds per year. Since the volume of ammunition shot is that low, why worry much about recoil unless you have a specific reason to do so?
 
Are there a lot of people with fragile collarbones out there? I have never heard of anyone who cannot shoot a .308 who isn't very young or has a genetic disease.

.243 is a usable caliber, but it is overbore and barrel life isn't what it is with .308, and it's arguably a less efficient caliber. and it's more expensive. and harder to find.
 
Simply put, the 243 is a better varmint cartridge than big game round and the 6.5x55 is a better big game round than varmint round. The 270 Win. will do either job better as a rule. But that's been said many times before.
The managed recoil ammo can be a plus in the larger calibers for those intolerant to recoil.

NCsmitty
 
A.W., I don't think it's a matter of fragile collarbones. I've loaded a ton of plinkers for my '06, just to work on eye/trigger coordination. I'm not recoil sensitive, but I don't see any particular reason to beat on my shoulder...

As far as versatility, if animal size and maximum reasonable range are in the equation, I'd put the .308 ahead of the .243. I've used an '06 on jackrabbits, but I wouldn't think of a .243 as a 300- to 400-yard elk getter.

For all: Nowhere is it written that every thread must be browsed through, nor that every post get a response. If you don't like somebody's subject matter, it's quite easy to ride on by.

And we don't give prizes for Snarker of the Day.

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Don’t forget SD. That’s what makes the 6.5 such an awesome stopper as compared to the .243 with larger game. Sectional density in a bullet is huge!

As for recoil – the .308 and even the .270 kicks and bangs enough more than a .243 or .260 Rem as to make them less desirable to some, and enough to make them inaccurate for others.

Either way, with proper ammo and a good shooter I would agree that a .243 and .260 or 6.5x55 are great all round calibers suited to a variety of hunting. Good calibers for the one rifle hunter. I guess any caliber is a compromise, but I know that my uncle (right or wrong) has taken just about everything Ontario has to offer with his .243 ...
 
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