A .500 S&W Lever Action Carbine is here....

Status
Not open for further replies.
I've thought about one off and on for years - the full power .500 really is a rifle cartridge - but they've always been outrageously expensive. I won't tell them that they are asking too much, but I'm not sure the value is there for me personally.

I do notice they are now offering an AR pattern for a rimless .500. That's really not my kind of rifle, and I'm sure California won't let me have one anyway, but it's an interesting concept. I wonder if my revolver can be cut for moon clips...
 
They've been out a few years, nice guns but pricey.
I'd love to have the 454 casull version but I keep hoping I'll find a Rossi in 454, no luck yet though.


Not to derail the thread...

- @LoonWulf , you ever get that 454 lever gun you mentioned trying to order a year or so back?
 
Obturation said:
They've been out a few years, nice guns but pricey.
I'd love to have the 454 casull version but I keep hoping I'll find a Rossi in 454, no luck yet though.


Not to derail the thread...

- @LoonWulf , you ever get that 454 lever gun you mentioned trying to order a year or so back?
Click to expand...
not yet, my ffl buddy never seem to be able to get them when I have money, and when he can.....ive spent it on something else......
 
LoonWulf said:
not yet, my ffl buddy never seem to be able to get them when I have money, and when he can.....ive spent it on something else......
Click to expand...

Im not certain the Citadel 454s ever came to market. I keep up in them too and have found no evidence that one was ever sold by a retailer.
 
hard pass. I have lusted after their nice wood stock version for a long time but was never willing to pony up the dough. I like my lever guns with nice wood, not blacticool. the Rossi 454s were a bargain at $500. I missed the boat and won't pay the $1000 I have seen them for.
 
earlthegoat2 said:
Im not certain the Citadel 454s ever came to market. I keep up in them too and have found no evidence that one was ever sold by a retailer.
Click to expand...
I want to say dell had access to a few, but he was also looking for other cals for me and might have mentioned one of those
 
captain awesome said:
hard pass. I have lusted after their nice wood stock version for a long time but was never willing to pony up the dough. I like my lever guns with nice wood, not blacticool. the Rossi 454s were a bargain at $500. I missed the boat and won't pay the $1000 I have seen them for.
Click to expand...

Quoted because you used the term “blacticool,” which I’ve never seen before, and is perfect in so many ways.
 
It's been out for a while. It would be a good deer rifle in places that allow straight wall pistol cartridges only but it seems like a lot of money for what it is and I don't ever shoot my 500 revolver anymore anyways so, ever now and then I look at it and think about it and then don't buy one. I much prefer the wood furniture on this particular rifle as well and would be even less inclined to buy this version.
 
I have a few gripes with them on paper though I have shot the 460 version and it is pretty nice.

One is the 460s are twisted 1:32 and the 500s 1:24. I would like to see 1:24 for both of them.

No decent method for scope mounting since it is the top eject Win 86/92 action. I like how they provide an option for a mini reflex sight though. There is a scout scope provision as well but that is not for me.
 
Apparently there are options. Wood and blue steel, barrel lengths…

Personally, I wouldn’t want one as I don’t intend to own a .500 S&W anything, but the concept of this rifle is intriguing to me. A big turn off is the rear sight location. A sight on the bolt? No, not for me.

https://www.bighornarmory.com/product/model-89-carbine-18-500-sw/#

I wonder why they chose the Winchester 1892 platform versus the 1894 platform? The .500 S&W is pretty stout.
 
Have seen more than a few 1894s go sideways with 357 mags when worked quickly or slowly. And they went sideways even quicker when they used 38 spls in them.

The 92 sized action is much better overall for pistol sized cartridges.
 
For $900 you can get a TC Hunter in 500 S&W. Spend the extra on a good scope, dies and components.

I just can't get past the price tag, I could possibly see about $1,800 for it. Not $3K, I just don't see how it can cost that much.
 
Mk-211 said:
For $900 you can get a TC Hunter in 500 S&W. Spend the extra on a good scope, dies and components.

I just can't get past the price tag, I could possibly see about $1,800 for it. Not $3K, I just don't see how it can cost that much.
Click to expand...

They apparently make them essentially from scratch.
 
I got excited at first but if I'm paying that much, I want blued/CCH carbon steel. Not blackened stainless. At that point I think I'd rather have an 1886 in a proper rifle cartridge.


Pat Riot said:
I wonder why they chose the Winchester 1892 platform versus the 1894 platform? The .500 S&W is pretty stout.
Click to expand...
Pressure-wise, the 1892 is actually stronger. It's a hybrid 92/86 action. Probably closer to a slightly reduced size 1886.


Mk-211 said:
Not $3K, I just don't see how it can cost that much.
Click to expand...
Because they are the Freedom Arms of leverguns.
 
CraigC said:
Pressure-wise, the 1892 is actually stronger. It's a hybrid 92/86 action. Probably closer to a slightly reduced size 1886.
Click to expand...

I won’t disagree. I won’t agree either. ;)
Both actions are very strong. Judging by the pressures each gun design has been used for over the years I would say action strength is a draw between the two.
 
Pat Riot said:
I won’t disagree. I won’t agree either. ;)
Both actions are very strong. Judging by the pressures each gun design has been used for over the years I would say action strength is a draw between the two.
Click to expand...
Not a draw. Years ago I was part of a discussion between the Bakers (Freedom Arms), gunwriters and gunsmiths where this was discussed. When Ruger introduced the SRH in .454, all the manufacturers feverishly tried to adapt their existing actions to the cartridge. None survived. The 1892 held up the longest. None of the others lasted very long, even the rifle actions, including the Winchester “Big Bore” action. Basically the Marlin and Winchester 94’s are good to 40,000psi, the 1892’s 50,000psi. Gunsmith Keith DeHart built some of the Big Bore actions into .454’s but you had to run reduced loads in them.
 
792mauser said:
Have seen more than a few 1894s go sideways with 357 mags when worked quickly or slowly. And they went sideways even quicker when they used 38 spls in them.

The 92 sized action is much better overall for pistol sized cartridges.
Click to expand...

Had a 1894 357 once. Got rid of it. Marlin 1894 works much better.
 
The first thing I hate is the muzzle brake. A can does make sense though.
The pic rail is very lame. I definitely like an optic, but rails just raise them higher and add crap that's not needed.
In the video, the barrel looks short which is dumb, but I see they offer a 22" barrel which is fine.

The $2,499.00 MSRP is fine. Even if they're selling for $3K, that's fine right now. Money is cheap. The new Marlins are selling for $2500 with a laminated stock. This assumes you can actually get one. If they want $2.5K and won't ship the same day, then it sucks. Whatever that $600 deposit is on their website, forget that. Either they have it or they don't.

I won't buy it. Just beef up an 1873. It'll take it. Rossi's takes 44. Just make the toggle and pin bigger. For sure it will never hang up.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

dobedo
Let's see carbines in pistol cartridges.
2
Replies
36
Views
1K
Speedo66
Speedo66
L
  • Locked
Wild West Guns' new S&W .500 Magnum Lever Action
2
Replies
45
Views
38K
226
2
W
  • Locked
Happy Thanksgiving... 500 S&W lever gun!!
Replies
7
Views
1K
Wildalaska
W
W
  • Locked
looking for S&W .500 lever action
Replies
5
Views
569
dprice3844444
D
U
  • Locked
.500 S&w Lever Gun
Replies
8
Views
1K
Seventhsword
Seventhsword
Back
Top