A "Best Buy" in Chicagoland 2012: Selling (s)crap metal at a gun turn in

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There were some real "Rust Buckets" in that stack of stuff, but a couple of interesting pieces, too.

Good-on-ya for taking the gun-grabbers money and making it into positives.....and a tip o' the hat.

I did something similar several years back, but on a MUCH smaller scale...Bought "Red Ryder Range Model air rifles" for around $20, went down the block to the buy-back, turned them in for $25, repeat. Finally had enough 'free' cash to buy a couple of boxes of .357Mag ammo, and a .22 bore-snake.
 
Very well played, sir! Although it is sad to see any gun in the condition those were in, I'm glad that they found use one last time. I'm certain that your contributions gave the gun grabbers something to pat themselves on the back for, but they are too stupid to realize that they aren't reducing crime with this program. I just hope they don't catch on so you can continue to deplete their coffers with truck loads of "guns"! Ha Ha Ha!
 
Pulled the Krag's bolt?

Ha ha. That was a fire-damaged gun that was rusted closed.

The Arisaka? LOL. There were several things wrong with that gun and the parts it was thrown together with, not the least of which the barrel was on upside down!

And what in the heck am I gonna do with an Arisaka bolt? (ETA I'm 44-years-old and that's the first Arisaka I've ever seen or held outside of a museum. Odds of needing one of those bolts? About as likely as getting struck by lightning while holding a winning Powerball ticket.)

It was a great time.

We were at our GSL Board meeting last night when we realized that Chicago gave us $100 for one of the starter pistols. How sweet is that?

I got to looking at the picture I took of the entire collection a little more neatly laid out and there were five "non-gun" pistols. And we had 60 $100 gift cards, not the 59 I initially counted (Chris "bought" one that he didn't tell me about).

Add in the two "rain check" (their spelling, not mine) and it looks like we ended up with $6240.

Of that, I got word this morning that $2000 worth of them were cashed out at a local gun shop.

We're buying two CZ Model 452 (IIRC) "Scout" rifles (youth guns)... magazine fed bolt-action.

Also two Savage bolt-action, mag-fed rifles in normal, adult size.

A total of about $1000 in guns this year.

We're also sending $2500 in cards over to Darnall's to pay for most of the ammunition for this year's camp.

Life is good!

Thanks Ballerina!

John
 
My Feelings Are Mixed

National Academy of Sciences, National Research Council,
"Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review" (2004)
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10881&page=95
Gun Buy-Backs

Gun buy-back programs involve a government or private group paying individuals to turn in guns they possess. The programs do not require the participants to identify themselves, in order to encourage participation by offenders or those with weapons used in crimes. The guns are then destroyed. The theoretical premise for gun buy-back programs is that the program will lead to fewer guns on the streets because fewer guns are available for either theft or trade, and that consequently violence will decline. It is the committee’s view that the theory underlying gun buy-back programs is badly flawed and the empirical evidence demonstrates the ineffectiveness of these programs.

The theory on which gun buy-back programs is based is flawed in three respects. First, the guns that are typically surrendered in gun buy-backs are those that are least likely to be used in criminal activities. Typically, the guns turned in tend to be of two types: (1) old, malfunctioning guns whose resale value is less than the reward offered in buy-back programs or (2) guns owned by individuals who derive little value from the possession of the guns (e.g., those who have inherited guns). The Police Executive Research Forum (1996) found this in their analysis of the differences between weapons handed in and those used in crimes. In contrast, those who are either using guns to carry out crimes or as protection in the course of engaging in other illegal activities, such as drug selling, have actively acquired their guns and are unlikely to want to participate in such programs.

Second, because replacement guns are relatively easily obtained, the actual decline in the number of guns on the street may be smaller than the number of guns that are turned in. Third, the likelihood that any particular gun will be used in a crime in a given year is low. In 1999, approximately 6,500 homicides were committed with handguns. There are approximately 70 million handguns in the United States. Thus, if a different handgun were used in each homicide, the likelihood that a particular handgun would be used to kill an individual in a particular year is 1 in 10,000. The typical gun buy-back program yields less than 1,000 guns. Even ignoring the first two points made above (the guns turned in are unlikely to be used by criminals and may be replaced by purchases of new guns), one would expect a reduction of less than one-tenth of one homicide per year in response to such a gun buy-back program. The program might be cost-effective if those were the correct parameters, but the small scale makes it highly unlikely that its effects would be detected.

In light of the weakness in the theory underlying gun buy-backs, it is not surprising that research evaluations of U.S. efforts have consistently failed to document any link between such programs and reductions in gun violence (Callahan et al., 1994; Police Executive Research Forum, 1996; Rosenfeld, 1996).

Outside the United States there have been a small number of buy-backs of much larger quantities of weapons, in response to high-profile mass murders with firearms. Following a killing of 35 persons in Tasmania in 1996 by a lone gunman, the Australian government prohibited certain categories of long guns and provided funds to buy back all such weapons in private hands (Reuter and Mouzos, 2003). A total of 640,000 weapons were handed in to the government (at an average price of approximately $350), constituting about 20 percent of the estimated stock of weapons. The weapons subject to the buy-back, however, accounted for a modest share of all homicides or violent crimes more generally prior to the buy-back. Unsurprisingly, Reuter and Mouzos (2003) were unable to find evidence of a substantial decline in rates for these crimes. They noted that in the six years following the buy-back, there were no mass murders with firearms and fewer mass murders than in the previous period; these are both weak tests given the small numbers of such incidents annually.
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"Thanks for saving a life"
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Really? Did anyone turn in 10,000 handguns? Even then, there would have to be "Thanks for maybe saving a life".
"More than the availability of a shooting weapon is involved in homicide. Pistols and revolvers are not difficult to purchase ... in Philadelphia.... The type of weapon used appears to be, in part, the culmination of assault intentions or events and is only superficially related to causality. To measure quantitatively the effect of the presence of firearms on the homicide rate would require knowing the number and type of homicides that would not have occurred had not the offender_ or, in some cases, the victim_ possessed a gun. Research would require determination of the number of shootings that would have been stabbings, beatings, or some other method of inflicting death had no gun been available. It is the contention of this observer that few homicides due to shootings could be avoided merely if a firearm were not immediately present, and that the offender would select some other weapon to achieve the same destructive goal. Probably only in those cases where a felon kills a police officer, or vice versa, would homicide be avoided in the absence of a firearm." M. WOLFGANG, PATTERNS IN CRIMINAL HOMICIDE 82-83 (1958).
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Or "Thanks for saving a life from a shooting murder; stabbing, beating and strangulation are so much more personal."

Gun buy-backs are a fraud and I for one would not want to participate.
 
I think it's great that you used their own program against them, but I also have mixed feelings since they'll crow about how they "took xxxx guns off the street".

Under one of the new laws taking effect in Virginia on July 1, prevents localities from participating in so-called “gun buybacks” unless they have first passed an express ordinance authorizing the participation. And in the event that they do hold such an event, the firearms thus collected must be offered for sale to the public or a licensed dealer. So that Civil War revolver won't go to the smelter.
 
baffling aspects of gun buybacks:
who authorized the police to overlook crimes? and in certain cases if the gun is stolen or used in a crime, wouldn't they be guilty of accepting stolen property or destruction of evidence? and furthermore, wouldn't submitting a gun to the police for meltdown be the surest way to destroy the evidence of your crime?

i'd like to see these questions posed to a police chief or mayor by some go-getter journalist and watch his face turn beet red
 
Two questions I've never been able to figure out:

1. How do you buyback comething you never owned in the first place?

2. So, no questions asked; what prevents me from shooting a guy and then quickly driving over to the church de jour and turning in my still-smoking gun to be destroyed? Everyone hears a shot, looks up, and suddenly a gang-banger drives around the corner and says "Hey, man, I want to turn this in. Got my $100?"
 
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2. So, no questions asked; what prevents me from shooting a guy and then quickly driving over to the church de jour and turning in my still-smoking gun to be destroyed? Everyone hears a shot, looks up, and suddenly a gang-banger drives around the corner and says "Hey, man, I want to turn this in. Got my $100?"
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Yes, but in deference to the study we use to cite that gun turn ins are wasteful, it points out criminals never actually try and do that.

It's a catch 22, we want to claim they're useless (and they are), but we love claiming the turned in murder weapon hypo, which in a sense implies they aren't to a limited degree.
 
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ScottS said:
2. So, no questions asked; what prevents me from shooting a guy and then quickly driving over to the church de jour and turning in my still-smoking gun to be destroyed? Everyone hears a shot, looks up, and suddenly a gang-banger drives around the corner and says "Hey, man, I want to turn this in. Got my $100?"
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Yes, but in deference to the study we use to cite that gun turn ins are wasteful, it points out criminals never actually try and do that.

It's a catch 22, we want to claim they're useless (and they are), but we love claiming the turned in murder weapon hypo, which in a sense implies they aren't to a limited degree.
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Yes and no. Doesn't that depend on what happens with the hypothetical murder weapon? If the police pick it up, say "Hey, this is still warm. . . " then go catch the killer, then it hasn't been useless. OTOH, if it gets tossed into a pile and is destroyed, then the buyback has been worse than useless, in that it has facilitated the destruction of evidence to a murder case.
 
OMG, I'm still laughing my freakin' butt off!! This is top drawer brilliant, I forwarded this to a bunch of my shooting buddies.

Well done, very well done!

Dan
 
As a born and raised McLean county boy (Towanda/Bloomington/Normal) and Darnall's being my home range for 32 years, this makes me incredibly proud. I can just see the caravan turning onto route 9 and heading to I55 to Chicago. Great job!!! We don't do gun buybacks in AZ ;) But if I'm ever visiting home when Chicago has another, I'm coming with you guys.
 
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