A Car is not a deadly weapon, No force to be used by police in CA

[Mute]

It doesn't take a speeding car to trap someone under the wheels or a 1 1/2+ ton vehicle. I'll refrain from second guessing those officers involved in the shooting.

 

[atk]

I haven't seen the law, so, under the assumption that it really has passed, I see an interesting side effect...

If attacking someone with a car is no longer considered deadly force in LA, it must then be less-than-deadly-force, no? So, what's it equivalant to? Using pepper spray? A dog? Unarmed attack?

If attacking someone with a car is less than deadly force, haven't the police just gotten the option of running down someone who flees on foot?

Haven't all of us citizens just gotten the option of running someone down if they decide to start a fight?

 

[Daniel T]

Mute:

It doesn't take a speeding car to trap someone under the wheels or a 1 1/2+ ton vehicle. I'll refrain from second guessing those officers involved in the shooting.

So, are you giving cops a pass on just this one, or is it ok whenever a cop shoots someone that's driving a car? I mean, you wouldn't want to second guess them or anything...

 

[Mute]

So, are you giving cops a pass on just this one, or is it ok whenever a cop shoots someone that's driving a car? I mean, you wouldn't want to second guess them or anything...

Where did I say I was giving all LEOs a free pass every time they are involved in shooting someone that's driving a car? I don't know about you, I don't make it a normal practice to try to run down cops with my car. I saw the video like everyone else (you have seen the video right?), and it certainly didn't look like the cops overreacted to me.

 

[kbsrn]

A great Idea

I really like this idea. Maybe the police willfinally get an idea of what it is like to be unarmed. If they have to face someone with a dealy weapon and they are unarmed they will know how the rest of us feel, espically in CA.

 

[kbsrn]

Waivers

"Guess when you hire dumb monkeys to do a job that's what you get. Start filtering better and paying these guys what they deserve and you'll get guys that can think on their feet"

Thirty or so years ago you might have had an argument with that, but we have many agencies now that require 2 or even 4 years degrees. The current crop of officers is pretty intelligent. There are still some agencies
that pay woefully too little, I agree......the county south of mine paid wages so low that their officers qualified for food stamps...and they were constantly turning officers over as a result. "Filtering better"? We already go through batteries of testing, interviews, etc...just how much more screening do you want to subject applicants to?

You might have of had an arguement except for the waiver. The police departments will waive just about all of their requirements to get members of the "right" groups on the payroll.

 

[Preacherman]

I think many posters to this thread are missing some important information - the driver of the vehicle had opened his door and was apparently trying to exit the vehicle as it was rolling backward. He had already shown that he was armed, and had not thrown the gun clear of the car. If I'd been one of the officers on scene, after a 90-minute chase (including some very hairy moments), and knew that the suspect was armed, and saw that he was trying to exit the vehicle (with his gun still on his person, as far as I knew), do you really think I'd be waiting to see whether he wanted to talk about the weather?

 

[answerguy]

If I'd been one of the officers on scene, after a 90-minute chase (including some very hairy moments), and knew that the suspect was armed, and saw that he was trying to exit the vehicle (with his gun still on his person, as far as I knew), do you really think I'd be waiting to see whether he wanted to talk about the weather?

Yes, in this case I would want you to wait. The video clearly shows that the perps car was rolling back toward the police vehicle, not a threat in itself. If the bad guy was exiting the car, which I didn't see , I would expect you to have your gun out and be watching his hands. If he made a threatening move at that point then you would be allowed to respond with deadly force, not before.