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A fifth of soldiers report functional troubles with M4s

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by JustinJ, Jun 8, 2011.

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  1. JustinJ

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    " A December 2006 survey, conducted on behalf of the Army by CNA Corp., conducted over 2,600 interviews with Soldiers returning from combat duty. The M4 received a number of strong requests from M-16 users, who liked its smaller profile. Among M4 users, however, 19% of said they experienced stoppages in combat – and almost 20% of those said they were “unable to engage the target with that weapon during a significant portion of or the entire firefight after performing immediate or remedial action to clear the stoppage.”

    http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/the-usas-m4-carbine-controversy-03289/

    I own several and like the AR but there is definitely room for improvement, in my opinion. I hope that doesnt make it okay to break HR rules and make personal attacks against me.
     
  2. Bartholomew Roberts

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    CNA isn't a corporation, it is the Center for Naval Analyses which conducted the survey. And since they did so in 2006, it has been discussed here in the following threads:

    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=371537
    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=498723
    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=492962
    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=280630

    Another good read on the survey (and the M4 generally) is the 2010 USNI Proceedings article here:
    http://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/story.asp?STORY_ID=2439

    And a link to the actual study:
    http://images.military.com/pix/defensetech/cna_m4_study_d0015259_a2.pdf

    And regarding stoppages, the CNA reported that reports of stoppages were 19% for both the M4 and M16. For comparison the other weapons in the study were the M9 (26% stoppages) and M249 (30% stoppages). Not suprisingly, the weapon with the highest satisfaction rating in the study was the M4.
     
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    I would guess that most soliders don't really unerstand how to properly lube there weapon.
     
  4. Sam Cade

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    I see that number and it is almost impossible for me to believe that.
     
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    M9 are not combat worthy in extreme condition..
     
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    I forget who once said:

    'Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is amazing, but what they hide is critical'

    I always take my stats with a grain of salt. Although these look like pretty detailed reports.
     
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    The weakest point of the M9 is the crap magazines that won the low bid. Any mag that has instructions on how to stretch the spring isn't any good.

    BSW
     
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    Wait...so there's four other threads discussing this study regarding the M-16/M-4, but we're keeping this one alive to argue about the M9?
     
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