A good look at the Smith and Wesson M&P

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zulu6

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So I just took delivery of my new Smith & Wesson M&P .40 and thought I’d offer some impressions. I bought it from Bud’s for $439 shipped. With the current Smith rebate of $50 that means a new .40 with four hi-capacity magazines for $389 plus a $20 transfer. Not bad.

The M&P is the latest effort from Smith & Wesson into the combat handgun market. As a combat handgun, especially of the striker fired polymer breed, any look at it for me necessarily draws comparison to the Glock. This is for good reason. First, when you open up a gun like the M&P you can easily see design elements that have plainly evolved from the Glock. Gaston figured out how to do it well and everyone else has followed his lead. Also, it seems to me, no one so far has out-glocked Glock for what a Glock is built to do. I carry one every day, for a living, and personally own two others. I can attest to their worry free, no nonsense, durable, sure as the sun will rise reliability that they bring to the show. With religious loyalty, I believe in them as fighting weapons. I like Glocks a lot.

All that said, I think Smith has done something very important with its new pistol. It has addressed some of the details that I have always wished that Glock would work on. It offers lots of things that I like and very little that i don't.

The first and most important difference is the grip and feeling of the weapon in my hand. I never thought the Glock felt bad but after handling the M&P extensively over the last couple of days my trusty and familiar 2nd generation Model 22 feels like a new bar of Ivory soap, not uncomfortable but not like it was custom made for my hand either. The M&P does. It’s slimmer and sculpted with the human hand obviously in mind. It’s three interchangeable backstraps allows a shooter to custom fit the grip to his palm. It also has a pronounced beavertail that I found comfortably wrapped around the web of my hand providing a welcome additional leverage point against recoil and the gun’s cycling forces. The grip surface texture also affords a much better lock against my skin than does that of the Glock. I never liked having to put additional sleeves or tapes on my 22 just to keep it from being slippery. The M&P easily bests the Glock in hand fit, feel, and grip.

On my Glock 22 I have the factory installed metal tritium night sights. They work well and are well made but they are an option on that gun and as such they add expense. The standard Glock sights are an awful plastic imitation of combat sights. They are hard to use and mar easily in real world conditions.

I bought my M&P with the standard non-tritium sights. These steel Novaks are not only fantastic they are the best of any standard sight on any pistol of any brand I own. I really like these sights and wish that Glock would take a cue.

The controls on the M&P are simple and ergonomically designed. The mag release is perfectly placed for me and is very quickly reversible to the right side of the gun for lefty shooters. The slide release is also well placed and is ambidextrous but I found it to be a little tough to engage. This is partially because the gun is so new and partially because my thumb could not get quite enough purchase on the tab. The extended Glock slide release that I installed on my 22 is much easier to use but cannot be switched for a lefty.

The trigger on the M&P is quite good. It does have a negligibly bumpy and slightly creepy take-up but the break is not bad for a striker fired gun and is light-years better than the terrible trigger on the older Sigmas. Its also much better than that of Ruger’s new SR9 which I found to be mushy and gritty. The reset is a little difficult to feel on the M&P until you’ve fired the gun a bit and gotten accustomed to it. I do like the Glock trigger better but Smith has done very, very well here.

A couple of other small details that I also liked were:

The cocking serrations. On first glance I did not especially like the look of the scalloped serrations but with use I found that they provided a better bite for my fingers than do the Glock’s.

The safeties-actually the lack of them. There are no external safeties on the M&P 40, a condition I very much like on a fighting pistol. I have also become irritated with Smith’s use of internal locks and magazine disconnects on their handguns. The M&P is no different except that they are available as options. If you don’t want a mag disconnect, don’t get it. Likewise, if you don’t want an internal lock, don’t get it. My M&P has neither and I like it that way. Giving the end user the choice is a good business model and I hope other makers will follow the example.

The coated stainless steel slide is a very nice touch and unexpected for under $400.

The good fit and perfect finish, the metal guide rod, the very well made magazines, and the substantial looking claw extractor lend the M&P a high quality look and feel. I also like the unobtrusive loaded chamber peep hole. I dislike having an additional, usually red painted, moving post or bar telling me that the gun is loaded. I don’t mind however looking into a hole and seeing the shine of the case through it. This is a really innovative idea.

Shooting impressions were also very good. The weapon is dead on accurate. Felt recoil was no problem at all and, did I say, damn this thing feels good in the hand. Reliability was flawless with 200 rounds of ball. The alignment of the top round in the mag is so well placed that feeding should never be an issue. Also, this gun sits low in the hand, much like a Glock. I have never favored the height of the HK USP or the Sig P pistols in my hand. The M&P is just about right.

Now for what I don’t like. Really its only one thing but I really hate it. Its the M&P’s takedown procedure. Smith’s bow to the nanny state can be found here. In order to take the weapon apart one is expected to remove the takedown tool from the backstrap (which doubles as a lock for the interchangeable grip panel), lock the slide to the rear, turn a takedown lever similar to that of a Sig, and then using the tool from the backstrap flip a sear disconnect lever inside the mag well just below the chamber. I found that with some marked discomfort (since the lever is obstructed by the rather sharp ejector) I could use my finger instead but it was difficult. After all that, the slide then comes off normally.

It is the intent here I suppose to have the user fish around inside the chamber in order to force a verification that the weapon is unloaded. I get it but I don’t like it. A pistol is a dangerous device, its supposed to be. I don’t like compulsory extra steps like this that try to make my world safe for three-year-olds. I especially don’t like having to use a tool to perform the extra step. That little lever also adds another potential failure point and that’s just not acceptable for a combat weapon. Besides, if a lever inside the chamber is necessary (which its not), I think that the same safety function could have been engineered in by making the lever accessible to my finger.

I also did not like the “CAUTION: CAPABLE OF FIRING WITH MAGAZINE REMOVED” printed on the side of my pistol. I know that Smith has used these mag disconnects in the past but when I opt out I don’t need warnings pasted all over my gun like the airbag alert on my car’s sun visor.

Aside from that I have no other major complaints but I will offer a few final observations.

Both the M&P and the Glock have a trigger safety. The Glock does it with a lever that is depressed by the trigger finger while the Smith uses a two-pieced hinged trigger that when depressed, straightens slightly and allows the trigger to move and the weapon be fired. In all my years carrying Glocks I have not seen a trigger safety break and Smith’s design might well prove to be just as durable. On the Glock however, if this lever were to fracture or fail the default is a functioning trigger. If the Smith’s were to break you’d have no trigger at all, or at least nothing particularly functional as one.

The interchangeable grips, as mentioned above, really made for a great custom grip on the M&P. However, on a fighting pistol I do prefer Glock’s simple one piece design even if its not as comfortable. The Smith feels so good in the hand but under the worst conditions and circumstances less parts to break is less parts to break and maybe a single piece, well sculpted grip would be a better answer.

So, has Smith & Wesson out-glocked Glock? Nope. Glock still stands in my mind as a real fighting pistol with a short learning curve and rock solid durability that’s proven to be perfectly suited for a fight. The Glock is also wonderfully matched, for lots of reasons, as service issue hardware to cops and warriors alike. That said, I like the Smith an awful lot, I mean a lot, maybe even more than the Glock. This is probably subjective more than objective and I would never be sorry to have either with me in a scrap but it will be the Smith that goes with me to the range most often. Get one.
 
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First, I'm getting seriously long of tooth, change don't come easy for me. I don't own any "plastic" pistols. I read the reviews, I handle the poly pistols, I find myself agreeing with some on the "feel" of the pistol in my hand. Not a 1911, but they do feel right at home in my paw.

I may have to try the M&P. If I decide to buy one, especially with the rebate offer available from S&W, I'll let ya'll know my humble opinion after a few hunderd rounds.

That was a great comparison, and well written review.
 
I bought an M&P 9 Compact last month for my new CCW gun. I liked it so much that I ordered a full-sized M&P 9 to try for USPSA competion (potentially to replace my CZ SP-01). When the M&P .45 Compact comes out, it may just find its way into the collection (the 9C can go to the wife for her carry).

I definitely think S&W has a winner!

Jim
 
Really its only one thing but I really hate it. Its the M&P’s takedown procedure. Smith’s bow to the nanny state can be found here.
Actually, government intervention was not involved. The sear-disconnect was specificly requested by the design group and designed to prevent mishaps like those from trying to disassemble a Glock without checking the chamber.

A pistol is a dangerous device, its supposed to be. I don’t like compulsory extra steps like this that try to make my world safe for three-year-olds.
I can't envision a combat scenario where you'd be disassembling your gun in a hurry, so I'm going to say that IMHO such a lax view on safety isn't healthy. If you aren't willing to spend the extra couple of seconds to flip a lever because you feel it's for little kids and people lax on safety, you might be one of those people that could expect an ND someday as a result of this specific idea.
I personally feel a lot better that I have to check and clear the chamber just to take it down. It's not a matter of time, as I'm not rushing in anything involving my guns. The fact it's required results in habit that you clear the gun and lock the slide back before tearing down any gun. I don't see how you could be offended that this results in more safety.

That little lever also adds another potential failure point and that’s just not acceptable for a combat weapon.
I have been on the M&P forum for almost two years and have never heard of any failure or inadvertant activation of the sear-disconnect. Further, if you disassemble the sear block, you'll see how simple the thing really is. Simple often results in reliability.
For a suggestion to avoid using the tool, keep a clickable ball-point pen in the range bag. The pen's tip is perfect for getting a grip on the lever and removes the fuss of removing the take-down tool.
 
M & P 9

Mine has been at Dave Bowie tactical for 3.5 months getting some serious mods to it. It should be back home here very soon. I loved it enough to spend the extra bucks with Bowie tactical. Won't be my carry gun, still to big but it will be my range gun and bedside gun for sure.

great gun, Smith now needs to come out with a sub liteweight 9mm pocket gun in the 12 to 14 ounce category,that goes bang every time..
 
You can also disassemble the M&P by pulling the trigger like a Glock.
I don't know if it's recommended but I accidentally got stuck on the Glock channel one day taking my M&P apart.
Worked fine.

As far as the sear disconnect lever...
Some people are idiots but they can still pass a background check.
Can't blame S&W for trying to idiot proof their guns.
 
I bought the M&P in 9mm at a gun show for 4 bills...the $50 rebate and two extra mags sold me on my first plastic handgun(I generally like metal and preferably stainless). Well, after getting it home and holding/shooting it, I wish I had bought 2 or 3 of them...just in case I wear one out. It IS the most comfortable handgun I own...those grip panels feel like some mix of rubber and plastic and stay in place in the palm of your hand whether it's wet or dry. I was getting 1 feed jam about every other mag for the first 150 rounds on my first trip to the range...second trip there wasn't a single problem. It could have been due to any of 3 things: 1) Didn't clean the gun before first trip 2) Was using bulk ammo from a French company that seems inconsistent in the charge. 3) It may just have needed a break-in. Anyway, I love the gun and really didn't think I could ever like plastic. I rotated between the M&P, Glock, and Sig (all 3 plastic) at the range and I like the M&P best. As for the silly safety warning on the side about firing with mag removed...the S&W 1911 I bought myself for Christmas has it too...I hate it! In the past I have always been a Beretta fan...bought a Px4 last week and guess what...it's on their guns now too...I think it's the new "gun disease". A note: I know I won't like my new Px4 as much as the M&P even though they also include 3 interchangeable grip panels with the new gun. Their panels are the harder plastic and do not grip as well. They do throw in a plastic speed loader to help depress the mag spring when you reload...will be nice at the range table. There's also a nice little Beretta "shot glass" included in the box...not sure what it's for unless you're supposed to put parts in it when you disassemble the gun???
 
Small point of contention. The lever is not in the chamber. It is in the mag well.

Because of its location it is not possible for it to be activated "inadvertantly". When you insert a magazine the body of the mag will push the lever back in place and hold it there.

The M&P is not the only striker fired pistol to correct the design flaw of the glock and require you to deactivate the sear to dissamble the pistol.

Now a question for you Glock types. How to you take the slide off the frame when when you can't pull the trigger? The sear deactivation lever makes this easy for the M&P user.
 
I have the M&P 45. The takedown tool is pretty hard to get out but why bother? The sear deactivation lever is quite accessible to any small, thin object like the blade of a pocket knife, a paper clip, a car key, or even a stick. I have a piece of thick copper wire that I have bent into a little tool that I use when I clean it.

When I originally read that the M&P required a "tool" for takedown, I was more than a bit put off. However, when I discovered just what this "tool" was I thought no more about it.

Mine has the manual thumb safety which seems well executed. I am somewhat on the fence about it but that's how it came. Everything I have read indicates that it is easy to remove...or put back in for that matter. We'll see.
 
You don't need any tool to take it apart. Drop the mag, clear the chamber, with the slide back flip down the takedown lever...pull trigger and done.
 
I have the M&P 45. The takedown tool is pretty hard to get out but why bother? The sear deactivation lever is quite accessible to any small, thin object like the blade of a pocket knife, a paper clip, a car key, or even a stick. I have a piece of thick copper wire that I have bent into a little tool that I use when I clean it.

I agree. I have yet to use the "tool".

For me the two major things that set this weapon apart and above from the Glock are the feel of the gun in your hand AND the accuracy.

For me, these aren't small improvements, they are huge based on my experience with Glock.

Had Glock made a better feeling gun that was as accurate as the M&P, I would be a Glock lover today.

I suppose the two issues could be related for me. Maybe I don't shoot as accurately with the Glock and I do with the M&P because I can't get the proper grip on it?

Despite the similarities, these two firearms are worlds apart to me.
 
I don't mind the sear disconnect -- I just wish they made it a little easier to manipulate like on my Ruger P93. It would be nice to be able to move it (easily!) with my finger instead of requiring a tool. Maybe it will wear in over time, but right now (300 rds) it's too stiff to do with just my finger (very painful!)

Jim
 
Well, I think they're kinda ugly.

But...

I picked one up the other day for the first time...

It was easily the MOST COMFORTABLE handgun I have ever handled. I don't know which size backstrap was on it, but it felt like an extension of my own hand.

I mean very, very comfortable.

I still can't get past it's aesthetics, but if you aren't as image-obsessed as I am (or actually like the way they look) I suggest handling one. Heck, the price sure is right!
 
FieroCDSP:

I didn’t mean to say that government intervention was involved. Its Smith freely kowtowing to the nanny types, the same kowtowing that brought us those horrible locks on their beautiful revolvers that had worked fine for generations without them, thank you very much.

I don’t think that safety practices and not wanting extra levers and tools are mutually exclusive. Why all of a sudden are the disassembly procedures of Glock’s, HK’s, Sig’s, Kahr’s, Beretta’s and others not safe enough? I’m just saying, it’s a gun and I’m an adult. I can take the responsibility of insuring my weapon is safe and unloaded prior to takedown like I have for my Glock over the last 10 years. I am not offended by safety. I’m offended by not being trusted to be safe. Besides, if you want the little lever job fine. Just make it accessible to my finger.

I agree that this is probably not going to be a failure point of the weapon but why add parts and complexity? Simplicity does often result in reliability so…make it simple…no extra levers.
 
For the record, I'm firmly against an integral trigger lock, particularly on the Smith revolvers. I'm not a wheel-gun guy, but I have been looking at some lately and the idea of "The Lock", especially with the record that Smith's Revolvers seem to have with them, proves that some things are better left alone.

Maybe I was a bit harsh in my wording. Sorry :eek:. My point was that the Smith design team was opting to design in a feature which could help prevent some of those nasty mishaps, which we know occur even to experienced gun handlers. "If even one life is saved", and all that.
An extra bit of safety can be a fairly strong selling point(which Smith needed in the market to get it off the ground), which I have witnessed first-hand with the M&P. With so many more new shooters, some who have only a slight idea what they're looking for in a gun, a safer take-down method is more of a reassurance than a crutch. The lever is not meant to be a bypass to the four rules.
If you look at it in the same way as you would the decocking buttons or levers, you can see what the idea is about. You wouldn't decock a gun with it pointed at someone, nor should you pull the trigger, be it in jest or to disassemble, pointed at anyone. Basic rule we all know, but smeg happens, even if you take every precaution, and even if you're following the four rules. Someone can stray in the way suddenly, etc.

Anyway, I didn't intend to offend or start a commotion. I like the M&P, some might not. Thank God we have a choice in something in this day and age.
 
I have the 40 and the 45 ,
You dont have to manipulate the disconnect lever, pull the trigger like the glock! (please follow safety procedure Make shure chamber is empty!)
 
Lucas, thanks.

I just tried it and it worked. I still don’t like that the disconnect lever is there but you and goon just killed my biggest complaint about the M&P.
 
Excellent and thoughtful review. I've had an MP40 for a year now and your review reflects my thoughts on this excellent gun exactly.
 
Went shooting again today with the M&P, this time after a thorough cleaning and lubrication. The trigger and action are quite smooth. I am so far really impressed with this pistol.
 
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Good review, zulu6.

I am an all-steel gun guy at heart. My son tried for years to convert me (Glock, Sw99, SigPro, Steyr, XD) to no avail. Then he brought a M&P to the range and by the next trip to the range I had my own M&P. They are impressive guns.
 
I, like blkbrd666, have a gun that malfunctioned out of the box (an M&P40c). It kept locking the slide back leaving the last round in the mag. This is NOT a shooter induced malf. Have maybe 300rds thru it now. Last box it had zero malf's. Maybe it will run 100% now. None of my many Glocks has EVER malf'd--even when new and tight. Not sure that I can trust this gun yet or ever as a defensive weapon. The full sized M&P's are not apt to have this problem from what I've read. Almost wish I'd bought the G27 instead.

Nail
 
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