A gunfight that won't be settled - Don Campbell

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Get a load of this BS:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20...ntbesettled;_ylt=AvAPwC0X1JegvN1J6zpzeRys0NUE

By Don Campbell

It's only 27 words: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

(Illustration by Sam Ward, USA TODAY)

You will recognize that as the Second Amendment to the Constitution. If a student of mine wrote a sentence like that, I'd scrawl in the margin "WDTM," and he or she would recognize that as, "What does this mean?"

Fortunately, the U.S. Supreme Court may — repeat "may" — lend some clarity to the meaning of an amendment written when men used muskets and flintlock pistols. Today, the justices will hear oral argument over an appeals court ruling that Washington, D.C.'s ban on private ownership of handguns is unconstitutional. Dozens of briefs have been filed on both sides of the case.

The betting seems to be that the Supremes will rule broadly that Washington can impose reasonable regulations on handguns but can't ban them because "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" is an individual right, not a collective right reserved for those who serve in a modern-day militia. But the high court could also rule more narrowly on some aspect of the law, or even send the case back to a lower court for further review, as recommended by the Bush administration.

I would favor the broad decision, but what I really hope is that the case will reopen a national debate about guns that patently aren't legitimate. Because the real problem is a spineless Congress, not the men and women who wear black robes. We have hundreds of state and local gun control laws in this country that are not limited by the Second Amendment, but not the kind of tough federal regulation we need.

Guns I've owned

This is not an anti-gun diatribe. I've owned guns since I got my first Red Ryder air rifle at the age of 8. As a teenager, I spent more time in the woods and fields with a gun than I did doing homework. (I even had a Dick Cheney moment when I was 16: My 20-gauge shotgun inexplicably discharged, blasting my friend Clifton from 10 feet with a load of #6 shot. His jacket took the brunt of it, but his left flank looked like a peppercorn pizza topped with a thin layer of mozzarella. It didn't make the newspapers.)

So the issue for me is not about gun ownership. It's about too much firepower in the wrong hands, and too-easy access to guns by criminals and the mentally unstable through loopholes, such as gun shows where background checks are not required.

The laws we need are blocked by a powerful lobby led by the National Rifle Association, whose idea of reasonable gun regulation is a prohibition on gun shows within the grounds of an insane asylum. Its argument is that any law is the camel's nose under the tent, as if the government didn't already have its nose in the most intricate aspects of our lives.

This is the same lobby that worked overtime to scuttle a 1994 assault weapons ban that was riddled with loopholes and allowed to die by the Bush administration 10 years later despite near-unanimous support from law enforcement and 70%-80% of the American people — including a majority of gun owners.

We need several measures that would guarantee the right to gun ownership for ordinary use — self-protection, hunting and target shooting — but keep assault weapons out of the hands of psychopaths and self-styled superpatriots preparing for their version of Armageddon.

It's a complex subject, granted, because modern-day handguns and long guns can be modified and accessorized in countless ways. But if Congress had the guts to take the lead, it would appoint a commission of reasonable people who I believe would agree on:

* The optimum firepower and configuration needed in a weapon to defend your home, bring down any critter from a quail to a moose or shred a paper target.

* Banning civilian ownership of all automatic weapons and all semiautomatic weapons that hold more than six rounds of ammunition. Six rounds is enough for any serious hunter, let alone a gangbanger.

* Tougher background checks on the mental history of all gun purchasers and requiring gun-show vendors to follow the same rules as federally licensed dealers.

* A ban with no loopholes or grandfather clauses on any gun that doesn't meet these standards or isn't brought into compliance within two years, with the penalty thereafter of a hefty prison term for anyone found with such weapons.

What, today, constitutes terrorism?

Here's why (and I'm not going to recall all the small-scale gun massacres of the past decade): A man drove to the Super Bowl in Glendale, Ariz., last month with an AR-15 military assault rifle and 200 rounds of ammunition, intent on killing as many people as possible. He changed his mind at the last moment, but what if he hadn't? Even if he was a poor shot, he could have killed 50 or 100 people with those 200 rounds. The gun lobby would have described this as an unfortunate act by an obviously deranged individual.

If the same man had driven to the arena with explosives strapped to his chest and blown himself and 50 or 100 others to bits, the gun lobby and everyone else would have described it as an unspeakable act of domestic terrorism.

The only thing different is the reaction. An improvised explosive device is a weapon of terror; so is a military-style assault rifle in a civilian's hands. It's time we treated them the same, and the Supreme Court is not going to be of much help on that.

Don Campbell is a lecturer in journalism at Emory University in Atlanta and a member of USA TODAY's board of contributors.

First,

This is not an anti-gun diatribe.

I love this disclaimer, I nearly busted my gut laughing!

Next,
The optimum firepower and configuration needed in a weapon to defend your home, bring down any critter from a quail to a moose or shred a paper target.

Is he saying anything more powerful than (fill in the blank) is banned?

Banning civilian ownership of all automatic weapons and all semiautomatic weapons that hold more than six rounds of ammunition. Six rounds is enough for any serious hunter, let alone a gangbanger.

Because hunting and gangbanging are the only uses for guns, right?!?!

AR-15 military assault rifle

This guy is pathetic. Who is he, anyone familiar with his "work"?
 
such as gun shows where background checks are not required

Not true. At least get the facts straight.

that hold more than six rounds of ammunition

Hmmm...so 6 is the magic number I guess. A throwback to the old west maybe?

gun-show vendors to follow the same rules as federally licensed dealers

Strange, all the ones I do follow these rules.

The gun lobby would have described this as an unfortunate act by an obviously deranged individual

And that would be an entirely correct statement.

I sure would like to write to this author. If anyone finds a link to him, let me know.
 
Its argument is that any law is the camel's nose under the tent, as if the government didn't already have its nose in the most intricate aspects of our lives.


THIS is the most frightening thing said in this article.

Hey, the government is already all over us, just let them take whatever power they want.
 
Why is it that some people scream from the roof tops "Its better to set 100 guilty men free than to punish one innocent man" , but want to punish thousands of innocent men by banning weapons because one criminal might use one.
 
An improvised explosive device is a weapon of terror; so is a military-style assault rifle in a civilian's hands.
Wow that should really be satire.
 
Obviously Don doesnt understand terrorism is defined as use of force to pursue a political means. And he teaches at a university? He needs to brush up on his terminology and stop using buzz words that HE makes the definitions.
 
As to who he is, here's a blurb from his book "Inside the Beltway: A Guide to Washington Reporting" from Blackwell Publishing:

Don Campbell currently a lecturer and freelance writer, has over 35 years journalistic experience as a reporter, editor, political analyst, author, educator, researcher, syndicate manager and newsroom consultant. He served as Gannett News Service managing editor, as Washington editor of USA Today, and as Gannett's White House correspondent, national political writer, political editor and congressional correspondent.
 
Personally I do not view this as 'BS'. I also personally find it not 'The High Road' for someone to label an opinion, merely an opinion, as 'BS'.

I happen to think opinions are more in need of protection than firearms ... at least in some circles.
 
So the issue for me is not about gun ownership. It's about too much firepower in the wrong hands, and too-easy access to guns by criminals and the mentally unstable through loopholes, such as gun shows where background checks are not required.

He's all in favor of rights, but only for special people.

I think we should so-called "compromise" on his First Amendment civil rights for a few years, and see how he likes so-called "reasonable restrictions."
 
Believe it or not, the first AR15s IIRC were full-auto, designed for airport defense I think. But in modern context, yes, the AR15 is not a military rifle at all.
 
If the same man had driven to the arena with explosives strapped to his chest and blown himself and 50 or 100 others to bits, the gun lobby and everyone else would have described it as an unspeakable act of domestic terrorism.

As much as I hate to admit it, he has got a point here. This point alone however.
 
If the same man had driven to the arena with explosives strapped to his chest and blown himself and 50 or 100 others to bits, the gun lobby and everyone else would have described it as an unspeakable act of domestic terrorism.

As much as I hate to admit it, he has got a point here. This point alone however.

WHat point? That USA Citizens who enjoy shooting "black Evil Rifles" are comparable Terroists? The analogy just doesn't seem to make sense. Just because a Firearm can be effetive on tightly grouped innocents, doesn't make me anymore willing to use it to that effect. Not to mention we all know rifles make up a VERY small percentage of actuall gun related crime.
 
Well, If we ban all guns that hold more than 6 rounds anyone with a pistol larger than a PPK is gonna be in a world of trouble. Does this author, who claims to be a gun guy, even understand how many guns work?
 
If the same man had driven to the arena with explosives strapped to his chest and blown himself and 50 or 100 others to bits, the gun lobby and everyone else would have described it as an unspeakable act of domestic terrorism.

As much as I hate to admit it, he has got a point here. This point alone however.

No, he doesn't. Terrorism is the act, and the motivation behind it, not the tool the terrorist uses. Following his logic all explosives should be banned also.
 
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I get a kick out of how every ink-slingin' yahoo with an opinion prefaces their anti-gun piece with, "I have guns. I'm not against guns."

Back in the day, I think they called that "balderdash" or "poppycock." What do the kids call it now?



FAIL
 
It is kind of strange!

Gun control, the theory that 110lb. women have the "right" to fistfight with 210lb. rapists.

I love that statement!

It is so strange to hear the un-initiated, and individuals who have never fought for the lives, broadly state their opinions on what you or I can do, not do, or own!

I have been, and still am, in an area were people who hate guns, have no trouble having me lead the way, armed, and pay for the privilege!

"Well it is OK you having guns, you are licensed" or the worlds best "I could never kill anyone, no matter what they were doing"?? The UK have no hand guns! None. The gangs in London/Manchester/Birmingham are armed to the teeth, just the same as DC, Law abiding not, Criminals yes!

The Clinton's don't like guns, they had the Secret Service Body Guards leave them behind today? NOT!
 
An improvised explosive device is a weapon of terror; so is a military-style assault rifle in a civilian's hands.
Considering that (1) so-called "assault weapons" are the most popular centerfire target and defensive rifles in America, and (2) all rifles combined account for only half as many murders as shoes and bare hands, I think he's really been spun on this.

And FWIW, police are civilians. So are private security, Federal law enforcement, and the Secret Service. Are they "terrorists" too?
 
Facts

He states that at 16 he had a ND.

"I've owned guns since I got my first Red Ryder air rifle at the age of 8. As a teenager, I spent more time in the woods and fields with a gun than I did doing homework. (I even had a Dick Cheney moment when I was 16: My 20-gauge shotgun inexplicably discharged, blasting my friend Clifton from 10 feet with a load of #6 shot. His jacket took the brunt of it, but his left flank looked like a peppercorn pizza topped with a thin layer of mozzarella. It didn't make the newspapers."

I have seen a pig killed at 25' with #8 shot.
Try putting a blanket (coat) over a 1x6 (skin and meat) with a rack of ribs behind it and shoot it from 10' with a 2 3/4" high base. The damage will not look like pizza but more like a large hole through all the media. No pun intended.

He's just qualifying his expert experience and knowledge.


Hook686,
"Personally I do not view this as 'BS'. I also personally find it not 'The High Road' for someone to label an opinion, merely an opinion, as 'BS'.

I happen to think opinions are more in need of protection than firearms ... at least in some circles."

So now our opinion of His is now relegated to First Amendment protection? And that leaves ours protected by what? The Second?
 
(I even had a Dick Cheney moment when I was 16: My 20-gauge shotgun inexplicably discharged

I can explain it. You pulled the trigger. While pointing the muzzle at your friend.
 
I get a kick out of how every ink-slingin' yahoo with an opinion prefaces their anti-gun piece with, "I have guns. I'm not against guns."

Back in the day, I think they called that "balderdash" or "poppycock." What do the kids call it now?

I seem to remember a speech class I took in college calling that type of argument a "token argument." That may not be the technically correct term, but the idea is that its the same as saying "I'm not racist, I have black friends, but they shouldn't be allowed to drink out of my water fountain."
 
The optimum firepower and configuration needed in a weapon to defend your home

Well, the military has spent decades figuring this one out and I believe their answer is good enough for me!:D

, bring down any critter from a quail to a moose or shred a paper target.

So people with poor aim or underpowered guns get to have bigger magazines????
 
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