A hunter's lament

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Speaking from experience, I would hope you will give your shotgun due consideration. Pest control on the farm is different from hunting. If you can't get within 40 yds of your target, then the animal probably isn't sick, wounded,or habituated.
When you take into account Murphy's Law, and consider livestock, neighbors, equipment, cars on nearby roads, etc., it is much better to err on the side of safety.
If youre dealing with a healthy animal, you can always pass on the shot until opportunity gives you a shot within range. If the animal is truly a pest, then you'll see em again.
I cringe at the threads advocating centerfires as the "best" solution to pest control, (especially the "best round for snake threads".) I suppose its great if you live out in the middle of the Mojave Desert where stray rounds and ricochets pose no threat.
Shotguns routinely are used to take every North American animal, and IMO you would be a lot safer to use it for pest control.
 
Thanks for posting this.

I'm not all that interested in the caliber discussions, etc.

What I am interested in is the reminder of what it means to be ethical and responsible.

Brought tears to my eyes as well.


-- John
 
I went back to the rod and gun club again today, with my H&R .22 single with iron sights, my scoped 10/22, and my Taurus PT-99, set up my target at approx. fox-distance

I had brought my Winchester Wildcat .22's, a box of Remington Yellow Jacket, and my last box of WWB 9mm

Since the Yellow Jacket rounds were marginal (are the bullets *supposed* to be loose in this round, I could almost pull them out by hand, very poor QC), I figured I'd start with the H&R single, that way if I get a squib, I can verify it by breaking the action open and sighting down the barrel

no squibs with the H&R, but the pattern was all over the place, I'm ashamed to say it, but I shot 3-4" groups with that rifle

I then popped 5 yellow jackets in the Ruger's rotary mag to see if they functioned, they did, the 5 shots fed through no problem, so I loaded up a full mag, and proceeded to try them in my tack-driving 10/22

3" "groups" shot placement all over the target, not a consistent shot in the bunch, and I was shooting from a bench

I switched to the Winchester Wildcats, no other changes, and my groups *immediately* tightened up to 1/4 to 1/8" groups, I could almost send rounds through the same hole

It's clear the Wildcats are *far* more accurate rounds than the yellow jackets, now that I have proven to myself that different ammo shoots differently in the same gun, it's entirely possible that the CCI Minimags I was using on the fox were not impacting the same POA as the Wildcats, it would explain all the poorly placed shots I took

I also tried my PT-99 on the target at fox distance, and was dissapointed in my shooting performance, as I only scored a couple center-mass hits, then again, the 9mm platform and the PT-99 are still new to me, so I just haven't fully adjusted to the gun yet, it would be improper and negligent for me to have used the Taurus in dispatching the fox, as I could not reliably place the bullet on target at fox-distance with the Taurus, I have a responsibility for every bullet that leaves the muzzle of the firearm in my hands, if I can't reliably and safely place that bullet on-target, then i have no right to fire at the target

with proper ammo, I have no problem accurately placing a .22LR round on target, the same cannot yet be said for my 9mm, however, in time, and with practice, I will be able to do so, but at the moment, the .22 and 12-gauge are the only firearms I can accurately place rounds on target with in an uncontrolled environment

at handgun target distances (7 yards or so), I am more than accurate with the PT-99, it's at extended ranges (extended to pistols, that is) that my accuracy needs improvement

while I was at the range, I was able to try a fellow shooter's 1911 chassis .45 ACP, a nice custom Kimber, and I was deadly accurate with that gun, 1/2" groups at 7 yards, the gun's owner could not believe I had never shot a .45 ACP before, he said I was a natural at it

that .45 was a sweet gun, and the recoil was definitely more manageable than my 9mm

that said, neither the 9mm, .40, 10mm, or 45 ACP would have worked with the horses, the combination of the loud bang and powerful shockwave from the muzzleblast would have definitely spooked the horses

however, I would have likely only needed to take one shot to put the fox down

as far as the poster suggesting the Mosin-Nagant, yes, I'd love to own one, but I'd hate to see the horses reaction to the sound, fireball, and shockwave from *that* monster, it'd probably make them collapse in fear, or break free of the fences in panic, and the fox would likely end up a fine red mist in the process....

perhaps tomorrow, or next week, I'll hit the range with a box of CCI MiniMags and Velocitors to sight them in, the MiniMags to see how bad they pattern, and the Velocitors to see if they're more accurate than the crappy Remington Yellowjackets
 
Try Winchester Power Points in your 10/22 (but NOT for fox!). I've had great luck with them (in the attached . . . <3/8" 5-shot groups at 50-yards, consistently). Adjust your magazine tension to whichever ammo on which you settle (eliminates misfeeds).

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MacTech.......

You did good, going back to the range to try to rectify why you shot the way you did.

Perhaps, when you go back again you will find those CCI minimags all over the place, then you can sleep soundly (although you should have anyway because you did all the right things).
 
The .22 is plenty for foxes, I have killed 100's of beef(at my family's slaughter house) and countless rockchucks with .22's it is all shot placement the .22 is not powerful enough for neck shots only skull. Also I do not think you are giving your horses enough credit with exposure they will eventually not care about gunfire, I have shot der with my arm through the reins and my horse did not even take me off target.
Glen
 
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Thank you . . . labor of love . . . first build (same receiver) was 15-years-ago. Upgrade turned-out pretty good, if I do say so myself. Shoots well.
 
.22 is enough gun, you just need a headshot with it.

Put a full or extra full choke in that mossberg and load it up with some 1 1/4 ounce #4 bird shot--NOT #4 buck. As long as your gun likes the load(pattern test to be sure), you shouldn't have any problems with fox size critters and smaller.
 
Put a full or extra full choke in that mossberg and load it up with some 1 1/4 ounce #4 bird shot--NOT #4 buck. As long as your gun likes the load(pattern test to be sure), you shouldn't have any problems with fox size critters and smaller.

Shoot a fox with birdshot? Horrible, terrible, unethical advice, thanksverymuch. :( :mad: :barf:
 
Ive seen alot of geese taken with #4 shot, and they are very similar in size to fox. Ive had numerous one shot kills with a .410 loaded with #6 shot against skunks. I'm sure #4 would be fine against fox @<30yds using high brass 12 gauge. Personally I'd use T shot to extend the range out to 40 yds.
 
you mentioned the 243 and it's ability to take deer. It is fine for that, more than fine, but are you looking for a deer rifle?

The 22 hornet is about 5 steps up from the 22LR, and yet it is still 2 steps down from the 223. It is a nice quiet round, and it is more than capable of taking out a fox or a dog or a coyote. I won't be a good choice for deer, but if your main goal is a gun that won't spook the horses but can kill a rabid racoon or something similar with a single shot, then I recommend that.

Or step up to a .223, or even a 7.62x39, CZ makes a nice little bolt gun in the soviet round
 
; the .22LR is *USELESS* for a *HUMANE* kill on anything larger than a gray squirrel

This is probably true if you hit the animal very poorly. I saw a jackrabbut hit in the leg with a 22-250 and it was missing a leg but not dead. It would be an errornious conclussion that 22-250 is not enough gun for rabbits. I have seen various vermin larger than a squirrel dispatched of in one shot with a .22LR. Shot placement as always is the name of the game.

need both one-shot-stop killing power for animals coyote/coy-dog size and smaller, and relatively quiet noise levels

I prefer a .22-250 for coyotes but a .223 will do nicely as well. I dont know if either meets your noise level requirments but I can tell you with great confidence that either is enough to quickly dispatch any vermin coyote size or smaller.

If noise is a big issue I suppose one could utilize a suppresor if they are legal where you live.
 
.22 LR will do a fox, as long as you use the right bullet!! Solids punch right through, doing little immediate damage. I once shot a snowshoe hare with solids, and needed 7 solid hits (6 heart/lung and the last in the head) to anchor it! Went back after aquiring some CCI Stingers, and never needed more than one ever again for rabbit, woodchucks, raccoons etc. Solids are for tin cans and targets...ALWAYS use a HP for critters.
 
Dont feel bad.

Pretty much every hunter will have something like that happen to them. You get over it and it is motivation to practice more and be more proficient.

Last year i was hunting with my girlfriends dad and her uncle. Her uncle hita nice big buck directly in the spine about half way down the back. We saw it go down so we walked up to it. Turns out the shot wasnt enough to kill it and it was trying to crawl away with its front legs.
It was quickly put down with a .454 Cassul. But it was a horrible thing to watch.

I am going to make sure my rifle is DEAD on this year.
 
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