rcmodel
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A Kit Gun idea (.357 + .22).
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bannockburn
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Interesting idea to say the least but besides having an actual Model 34, I also had a Rossi Model 88 which was like having a "kit gun", but in .38 Special.
I think I would prefer to stay with a one gun kind of specialization instead of the two guns in one concept.
I think I would prefer to stay with a one gun kind of specialization instead of the two guns in one concept.
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Macchina
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Maybe I confused this idea a bit by calling it a "Kit Gun". The concept of this gun REPLACES a kit gun with a slightly bigger/heavier version in order to add significant defensive abilities. I think this gun concept would better be called the ideal TRAIL GUN.
The two most common revolving trail guns seem to be:
Some people prefer to carry a .357 in the woods for protection from animals etc. In a pinch, .38 Specials can be used to take small game but this is not ideal to a lot of people. On the other hand, some people like to carry a .22 "Kit Gun" (lightweight and small) with the primary intention of taking small game of opportunity during a walk in the woods. This .22 could be used as a last resort should you need to defend yourself in the woods but it is not ideal for that use.
The concept I am proposing has the ability to quickly deploy a .357 in a defensive manner, but with the same gun you are able to take small game. The 30oz. target weight of this gun would soak up the recoil of real .357 loads and also allow more accurate shooting of the .22. The biggest complaint of the S&W 317 Kit Gun is it is to hard to hold on target because it is too light. This concept would be most appealing to the hiker that carries for protection and would like to take small game as well but does not want to hassle with carrying/deploying a second propose-built "kit gun".
The two most common revolving trail guns seem to be:
Some people prefer to carry a .357 in the woods for protection from animals etc. In a pinch, .38 Specials can be used to take small game but this is not ideal to a lot of people. On the other hand, some people like to carry a .22 "Kit Gun" (lightweight and small) with the primary intention of taking small game of opportunity during a walk in the woods. This .22 could be used as a last resort should you need to defend yourself in the woods but it is not ideal for that use.
The concept I am proposing has the ability to quickly deploy a .357 in a defensive manner, but with the same gun you are able to take small game. The 30oz. target weight of this gun would soak up the recoil of real .357 loads and also allow more accurate shooting of the .22. The biggest complaint of the S&W 317 Kit Gun is it is to hard to hold on target because it is too light. This concept would be most appealing to the hiker that carries for protection and would like to take small game as well but does not want to hassle with carrying/deploying a second propose-built "kit gun".
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firesky101
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Ya know with the way those barrels are on there I think I finally see a use for homeboy sights
Back in the late 19th and early 20th century, there were some double barreled revolvers being cranked out in Europe. Seems like you could possibly use one of those as your inspiration, but you may have to stack the chambers and barrels, then use a selector to choose whether the rimfire or centerfire chamber is fired. Otherwise you'd need two different lockworks... and that sounds like quite an engineering challenge!
Vern Humphrey
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The LeMat comes to mind -- it was a 9-shot revolver most often in .42 caliber, with a cylinder "pin" that was actually a 20 gauge barrel -- called the "grapeshot" barrel.
Here are some examples... if the links make it through.
http://pinterest.com/pin/118993615127026194/
http://pinterest.com/pin/419116309042816983/
http://www.horstheld.com/0-hdh.htm
http://collectorebooks.com/gregg01/eurorevolver/Lot-2170.htm
http://www.hightech-edge.com/triple-barrel-revolver-spanish-antique-guns/12994/
http://www.gunslot.com/pictures/rare-20-shot-engraved-pinfire-revolver-double-barrels-0
I have seen these in pics before the growth of the internet and photoshop, so I know that some of them are definitely real.
I don't think I'd be in for one of these guns, but if you manage to make one that alternates between .22LR and .44 Magnum, I will definitely be impressed.
http://pinterest.com/pin/118993615127026194/
http://pinterest.com/pin/419116309042816983/
http://www.horstheld.com/0-hdh.htm
http://collectorebooks.com/gregg01/eurorevolver/Lot-2170.htm
http://www.hightech-edge.com/triple-barrel-revolver-spanish-antique-guns/12994/
http://www.gunslot.com/pictures/rare-20-shot-engraved-pinfire-revolver-double-barrels-0
I have seen these in pics before the growth of the internet and photoshop, so I know that some of them are definitely real.
I don't think I'd be in for one of these guns, but if you manage to make one that alternates between .22LR and .44 Magnum, I will definitely be impressed.
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Put me in the I wouldn't buy one camp. I can pretty easily carry both my Smith 34 and 442. Or just carry my 3" SP101. I've shot a lot of small game with 158gr lead round nose, they don't damage meat as bad as some 22 ammo will.
I'd also point out that a 327 federal chambered SP or J frame would make a great duel purpose trail gun.
I'd also point out that a 327 federal chambered SP or J frame would make a great duel purpose trail gun.
Vern Humphrey
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There you go -- a light .38 Special load is a good small game cartridge. I like a 148 grain hollow base wadcutter loaded over 2.7 grains of Bullseye. Add a couple of cylinders full of .357s and any decent .357 becomes the idea dual-purpose handgun.
Several versions of a dual caliber handgun have been made one time or the other ( Research Firearm Curiosity ). They have never gone over with the public for what ever reason. Who knows, maybe the time is right, but I kind of doubt it.
Claude Clay
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goon posted what i was going to look for...ty.
what you have, as has been said is a neat idea for a 2-fer
yet it will be 2 thumbs up for cool it will not be a hot seller.
though...if you could lengthen the cylinder so as to give the
22 a 1.25" of rifling (like the 1.25" NAA), enough i think to stabilize it; thus with the longer sight radius of the bbl will perhaps be accurate enough for a squirrels head shot
at perhaps 40'.so the 22 would fire through the 357 bbl.
now back to how to index a caliber choice...with one hammer
what you have, as has been said is a neat idea for a 2-fer
yet it will be 2 thumbs up for cool it will not be a hot seller.
though...if you could lengthen the cylinder so as to give the
22 a 1.25" of rifling (like the 1.25" NAA), enough i think to stabilize it; thus with the longer sight radius of the bbl will perhaps be accurate enough for a squirrels head shot
at perhaps 40'.so the 22 would fire through the 357 bbl.
now back to how to index a caliber choice...with one hammer
Geldarr
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What about this...
What about chambering the larger round in .327 federal instead of .357? You could then use .32 H&R Mag, .32 S&W long, and .32 S&W depending on your purpose. The cylinder could be smaller in diameter and weight, and it could still "get the job done" depending on what .32 cal ammo you load. The wadcutter longs would be great for small game, and .327 federal is no slouch in the energy department. These cartridges are/were/will be available at many stores.
Maybe have 45° offset sights for the .22 (they're all the rage for AR-15s these days, y'know). Not birdman sights, but a compromise!
rcmodel is right - not the sleekest, or lightest gun around. But if you make it look right and shoot right, people might buy it. Heck, it just sounds fun. Don't forget about fun!
What about chambering the larger round in .327 federal instead of .357? You could then use .32 H&R Mag, .32 S&W long, and .32 S&W depending on your purpose. The cylinder could be smaller in diameter and weight, and it could still "get the job done" depending on what .32 cal ammo you load. The wadcutter longs would be great for small game, and .327 federal is no slouch in the energy department. These cartridges are/were/will be available at many stores.
Maybe have 45° offset sights for the .22 (they're all the rage for AR-15s these days, y'know). Not birdman sights, but a compromise!
rcmodel is right - not the sleekest, or lightest gun around. But if you make it look right and shoot right, people might buy it. Heck, it just sounds fun. Don't forget about fun!
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