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Guys I am a new member, been reloading for longer than I can remember, but I am stumped on this one. I have 500 Oregon Trail laser cast 200 grain RNFP lead bulletts that are being loaded for my replica 1875 Remington Outlaw .45 Long Colt w/ 7 1/4" Bbl. I have only 2 powders right now both of which should work fine. I have some Alliant Unique, and some Hodgdon CFE Pistol. Does ANYONE have load data for me to compare with what I have, ( I always source a recipe twice, I also hand load each round, I am meticulous about my ammo, and it generally has better results than store bought but when I bought these bullets they were on sale, I thought they were 230 grain as I usually buy. Guess I am getting old. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks and God Bless


Col. Kevin Jankoski
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Welcome to the forum.

That's an excellent bullet for both the .45 Colt and the .45 acp. I cast them by the multiple thousands for both calibers.

You can use date for the 200 gr. lead SWC bullet for the .45 Colt and be fine. Here is what Alliant suggests: http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/recipedetail.aspx?gtypeid=1&weight=200&shellid=36&bulletid=62

You can adjust the OAL for the bullet you're using, but I'd just crimp into the crimp groove, which is what I do for .45 Colt when using that bullet, but I load them over TrailBoss powder in that caliber.

Hope this helps.

Fred
 
Hi. Who made the bullet doesn't matter. You load by the weight. Like you need to be told that. snicker.
Hodgdon lists CFE, out of a 7.25" barrel, with several cast bullet weights, but for some daft reason, not a 200, on their site. You could call 'em and ask or buy their book.
Alliant's site lists 9.5 of Unique as the max load for a 200 LSWC. Reduce by 10% for the start load. Your velocities will be a bit higher due to the barrel length.
 
Thank you

EXACTLY MY POINT ON HODGDON!!! They don't list a 200gn lol Because they want to make you buy their book! I have always loaded by the gn. Weight of the bullett and also cast my own in warmer weather! I have the Lyman 49th edition reloading guide, but it doesn't list CFE I guess its because its too new a powder! Thank you guys! One more question:

I have always used this same 200 or 230gn LRNFP in my .45 ACP & My .45 LC in the .452 diameter. Last week an old timer I shoot with ( geeze not that much older than me whats that make me if he is an old timer?) told me that the .452 diameter will eventually destroy my barrel. He says you can see a visual buldge when you load the .452 in a .45 ACP cartridge. Anyone ever heard this before?

Thanks again!
 
I have always used this same 200 or 230gn LRNFP in my .45 ACP & My .45 LC in the .452 diameter. Last week an old timer I shoot with ( geeze not that much older than me whats that make me if he is an old timer?) told me that the .452 diameter will eventually destroy my barrel. He says you can see a visual buldge when you load the .452 in a .45 ACP cartridge. Anyone ever heard this before?
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HORSE PUCKEY
does anyone think lead will wear on the steel or is it more likely the other way around.
 
Um, .452 is the standard lead bullet diameter for 45 acp. Or so I thought.:uhoh:

That's what I've been using in my Sig, Glock and CZ without issue. It's what my Lee mold says it's for.
 
In cast bullets, .452" is the standard for both .45 acp and .45 Colt barrels. Prior to World War II, .45 Colt barrels were made in .454" diameter, but now they're the same. I have five firearms in .45 Colt, and they all slug at .452". Like I mentioned above, I shoot these bullets in all my .45 Colt and .45 acp firearms, which together number well over a dozen in total.

As for the "old timer", who is probably younger than me, his medications are backing up on him........... Ignore his "advice" and move on.

Hope this helps.

Fred
 
Sounds to me like the OT needs a physic!

For your load, Hodgdon CFE lists for a 215 gr. LRNFP. You can use a load for a slightly heavier bullet.
 
The Hornady book lists data for a 200 grain lswc. Unique starts at 5 point 8 grains and max is 8 point 6 grains. Picture available if you want it.

Also sir, thank you for your service to our country.
 
Wow thank you!

Guys I stumbled onto this site by accident...........sure Glad I Did! I thought the old timer might just have been nippin at the bourbon here in louisville a tad too much. I agree whole heartedly btw, I just wanted to see if this is something new! Clearly its not! Again THANK YOU GUYS!

Kevin
 
Thank you Fred, I too just load and crimp into the crimp groove........I have just never bought the 200gn I was weighing them and they are extremely accurate!
 
I have a 2006 Hodgdon reloaders manual and it does list the 200 gr lead RNFP in 45 Colt.
But- it doesn't show the CFE Pistol powder as it just came out.
It only shows Universal, TiteGroup, Clays and HP38.
 
Hodgdon CFE Pistol
.452" DIAM
1.600" COAL
START: 8.6GR. FPS:927 . 9,300 PSI
MAX: 10.0GR. FPS:1,065 . 13,300 PSI

That is off Hodgdons website for a 200 gr. XTP just start at 9.0 Gr and work up.
 
You sure can see a bulge...the one that is present because your sizing die takes the case down far enough to provide for neck tension, then your seater crams the .452 bullet into a slightly smaller diameter case swelling the neck slightly as the bullet seats. You can see a bulge, but your supposed to see that bulge.

And by your location you might be right about the bourbon. Your in the heart of whiskey territory, just a couple hours east of me. Hope your doing well in snowpocalypse or snowmageddon or whatever they decide to call this dusting that we are set to get. If you know any good gun shops in the Louisville area or west please shoot me a PM as I would like to make a few trips that direction on the motorcycle when it warms up.
 
wow that CFE pistol seems like a big waste of powder weight
i guess if it was $12 a pound it might be okay
cripes the stuff isnt H110 !
 
Welcome to the forum Col. I'm glad you happened upon us. I did the same years ago and never left! This is a great place without a doubt.

Just one thing, there is no additional Hodgdon load data information in their yearly magazine compared to the Load Data Site. (that I know of)
 
bds said:
Hodgdon website lists 45Colt load data for 215 gr lead RNFP and CFE Pistol. I am sure you can use that load data for 200 gr lead RNFP - http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/pistol
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I wonder why Hodgdon didn't supply CFE Pistol data for a 200gr LRN bullet when they did for a 215gr bullet like you said AND a 180gr LRN bullet too. That is very strange... If there was not data for the 180gr bullet I would be concerned Hodgdon felt CFE Pistol was not appropriate for the 200gr LRN bullet.
 
ArchAngelCD said:
I wonder why Hodgdon didn't supply CFE Pistol data for a 200gr LRN bullet when they did for a 215gr bullet like you said AND a 180gr LRN bullet too. That is very strange... If there was not data for the 180gr bullet I would be concerned Hodgdon felt CFE Pistol was not appropriate for the 200gr LRN bullet.
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Probably because it is not very efficient with 8-9 gr. being the start point and it is Copper Foul Eraser. Lol, Probably not for LEAD bullets.
 
BigBore45 said:
Probably because it is not very efficient with 8-9 gr. being the start point and it is Copper Foul Eraser. Lol, Probably not for LEAD bullets.
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I can't agree because like I said above, Hodgdon provides CFE Pistol data for a 180gr Lead bullet and a 215gr Lead bullet but not the 200gr Lead bullet. That is strange, no? All 3 bullets are the same profile too. As a matter of fact they supply data for a 160gr Lead bullet too, very strange...

I can only surmise they just forgot to test the 200gr bullet at the time.
 
Might be that they could not find any 200 grain lead bullets at the time they were testing. I am sure they occasionally have problems locating components just like we reloaders do at times.:scrutiny:
 
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