A newbie's metering woes

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.... problem continues to bedevil me: metering!....unacceptable to me. My hand weighing standard is ... Weighing powder by hand is tedious ....

I agree that the hand-weigh is tedious ~ but necessary ~ if your PM is less-than-accurate :(

I've tried all the Lee PM's except the newest interation; none of them satisfied me.
Came to the realization that it was necessary to pony-up for an accurate + adjustable unit that would suit my needs.
After much research & with suggestions from the grey-beards, I purchased the Redding 10-X.

Very happy with this PM :cool:
 
The OP hasn't returned - but I'm still really wondering if it's the scale. He stated he has a "precise digital scale" and that it is well calibrated. I'm wondering what the measuring repeatability is. In my scale setup issues that folks helped me out with it wasn't until I got check weights and saw bad repeatability did I realize I had a scale issue. (In my case it was a scale placement/platform issue.)

I wonder if the digital nature of the scale is giving the impression of precision/accuracy. (I'm not going to go into the fine points of the two - because I can never keep them straight. :-D)
 
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Mistakes I've made

With the uniflow:
1. Worst- not cleaning it properly. RCBS packs it with a very greasy oil; it needs to be disassembled and cleaned thoroughly. This by itself will cause huge inconsistencies.
2. Metering valve set so that it fills when sitting still. I think it's far better to have the handle opposite the valve, and the valve chamber empty until you purposely fill it and then discharge it.. Settling is avoided this way. Throwing a charge seems best if practiced!

3. Baffles.. I ended up making a set of baffles for my smaller uniflow.. Used a metal measuring spoon...

With an electronic scale:
1. Not leveling the table good enough.

2. Trusting that all electronic scales are "good". I had a RCBS that would not stop incrementing values & could not be zeroed. I had a hornady pocket scale that was, at best, good for 0.2 grain resolution and its results showed that.

3. Assuming that the factory batteries were good. Most of mine weren't.

4. Not getting a weight check set. Check the scale with weights about the same weight as you intend to throw. Who cares if 771 grains is close to 771 grains - if I'm throwing a charge of 25 grains, I want to know that the scale is accurate at, yes, 25 grains. Yes, calibrate it according to the manufacturers instructions, but to check a 10 grain throw, check the scale with a known 10 grain weight! If scale A shows 10.1grains, and scale B shows 10.2- which is right ? Or if scale B shows 10.3 ? Weight check set is the only answer I can come up with.

5. Assuming that you need exacting accuracy! The more that your charge weighs, the less that 0.1 grain matters- unless you are towards max loads or seeing signs of excessive pressure. It is more important when throwing smaller loads- I would guess.

Other mistakes: Not trying out the Lee el-cheapo powder thrower. It works quite well.. Guess I should also be using the balance scales more , but that I'll address later on. The uniflow measures well for larger throws, but for smaller throws, the lee seems a bit better. Just my opinion.
 
With an electronic scale:
1. Not leveling the table good enough.

VERY important for any electronic scale. Front, back, sideways and upside down.

I "borrowed" my wifes heavy cutting board and put cushioned leveling screws on each corner to use as a dedicated surface for my scale. I also made sure it was located away from any sources of drafts or vibration. Since then I have had no issues with scale accuracy.
 
Not surprising 3 grains is giving you a headache. That's a very small load. .380 is kind of unusual to start with but you may find it less taxing to try a different powder thrower for wee, tiny, small, itty-bitty loads like that.
However, like 30Cal says, "+/-0.05 grains" is way too small. .05 is 5/100ths. Nothing goes that fine and doesn't need to.
 
Some guys buy an aquarium pump and mount it to the side of the hopper. Vibration supposedly settles the powder more consistently. I've never used it. I use ball powder (AA2, 5 etc.) and don't have issues, but smallest I load is .40 cal. Out of my Dillon measures I get +/- .1 typically

I have a Hornady rotary (I think it's the same as RCBS) and never could get it consistent.
 
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