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Bush, Ashcroft, Terrorism and Guns: The Great Hypocrisy
1/21/2003





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by Joe Sudbay

How many times have we heard the Bush Administration tell us they would do everything in their power to prevent terrorism? In his address to the United Nations on November 10, 2001, Bush announced, "We have a responsibility to deny weapons to terrorists -- and to actively prevent private citizens from providing them." Six weeks earlier, testifying before Congress on September 24, 2001, Attorney General John Ashcroft stated unequivocally, "It's our position at the Justice Department and the position of this Administration that we need to unleash every possible tool in the fight against terrorism and to do so promptly."

Evidence is mounting that weak U.S. gun laws allow terrorists easy access to weapons. Yet when the issue is guns, the Bush Administration -- despite its early promises of a fight against terrorism, wherever it may lead -- has adopted a "hands off" policy. Why? Unfortunately for the health and safety of the American public, the answer is that Bush and Ashcroft care far more about the NRA than you and me.

Law enforcement officials have no doubt that for terrorists shopping for guns, U.S. shelves are always full. In a November 15, 2002 interview on the television news show NOW, retired Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) official Gerald Nunziato put it bluntly: "We have a major problem in this country with terrorism and firearms. Terrorists could come to this country and obtain firearms so easy....We sell anything in this country. It's very easy to obtain weapons here from gun shows, pawn shops, straw purchases, relatives, through newspaper ads." Last December, retired ATF resident agent in charge Daniel McBride told The Nation, "The United States has for many years been a warehouse, a shopping center, if you will, for firearms because of the ease of acquisition....We are a very easy place from which to obtain firearms for transshipment back home."

Under federal law, weapons like the military bred .50-caliber sniper rifle can be purchased just as easily as a hunting rifle or shotgun, and even more easily than a handgun. According to an eye-opening New Republic article published this month: "Many types of firearms can be purchased that easily in the United States. Few of them, however, would be as dangerous in the hands of terrorists. A .50-caliber sniper rifle, experts say, would be more than capable of shooting down an airliner as it took off or landed. Indeed, aimed properly, this weapon could be as effective as a shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missile, such as the one used by terrorists in an unsuccessful attack on an Israeli passenger plane in Kenya in November. But, whereas anti-aircraft missiles are highly restricted for civilians in the United States and decidedly difficult to obtain illegally, high-caliber guns....are available at your local gun shop, at gun shows, or even on the Web."

And although most Americans may be unaware of the .50's deadly potential, terrorists know it well. The Irish Republican Army has used .50-caliber sniper rifles to kill British military officers in Northern Ireland. More frightening is the fact that when the .50 first came on the market in the late 1980s, Al Qaeda was one of the first non-military purchasers.

The American arms bazaar is no secret -- as was made clear by a terrorist training manual found in Kabul following the 2001 U.S. invasion of Afghanistan. Titled "How Can I Train Myself for Jihad," the manual, which is also widely available on the Internet, advises: "In other countries, e.g. some states of USA, South Africa, it is perfectly legal for members of the public to own certain types of firearms. If you live in such a country, obtain an assault rifle legally, preferably AK-47 or variations, learn how to use it properly and go and practice in the areas allowed for such training." Jihad adherents have apparently taken this advice to heart. When an alleged terror cell was broken up in Oregon, the indictment alleged that five of the six suspects had undergone weapons training in the United States.

Faced with the facts, the Bush Administration has kept its mouth shut, its strings being yanked by the NRA and its grassroots adherents that have become so important to the Republican party base. For their friends in the NRA, Bush and Ashcroft have carved out a special interest gun exemption to the war on terror. The Administration knows better, and we deserve better. A first step for Bush and Ashcroft to begin fulfilling the anti-terror promises they made would be to regulate the deadly .50-caliber sniper rifle. Bush must also take a strong stand on re-authorizing the federal assault weapons ban which is scheduled to expire on September 13, 2004. Although Bush and Ashcroft have stated their support for maintaining the ban, this unavoidable debate will place them at odds with their NRA friends -- who have made termination of the ban a priority. Given recent history, it is hard to imagine that the Bush Administration would actually take a position contrary to the gun lobby. A free-flow of assault weapons and .50-caliber sniper rifles is the NRA's goal, despite the benefit it presents to the terrorists who aim to deny us the very freedoms that Bush and Ashcroft claim to defend. When it comes to the gun issue, the White House repeatedly contradicts its own anti-terror message, a glaring lesson in hypocrisy that benefits only terrorists and the NRA.

Joe Sudbay is Public Policy Director at the Violence Policy Center.


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Evidence is mounting that weak U.S. gun laws allow terrorists easy access to weapons.
HA! Just cause they say it's mounting don't make it so.

Keep squirming you worms.

- Gabe
 
The one thing that they will never, ever mention or acknowledge is that serious hardware is readily available in quantity from most third world countries for a tiny fraction of the price in the US (and no pesky forms or background checks either) .

Why would any terrorist try to buy neutered weapons with astronomical prices (compared to the markets overseas) here? Smuggling discrete amounts of anything into this country doesn't seem to be much of a problem.

Same old crap. Make the sheeple think every gun show and gun dealer sells big scary machine guns and .50cal's that shoot down airliners and destroy nuclear reactors from 10 miles away. All mister terrorist or joe-sixpack has to do is ask nicely and the dealer will gladly sell anything to anybody for a song.

Problem is a lot of people believe this garbage.
 
Ya know, I once DID get soemthing of value from the VPC. A while back, when they ran their expose of the Saturday Night Specials, and the Ring of Fire manufacturers, I got the pictorials, 'exploded view', parts list and complete instructions for the Phoenix/Raven .25ACP pistol. I was able to disassemble, clean,lube, and re-assemble sis-in-law's Raven. Weapon now works as advertised.

Thanks, VPC...:D
 
The lesson here

is to keep voting to keep your 2d Amendment rights. No wonder Joey's mad: even the Democrats don't want to talk about gun control now.

By the way,

"Join Together is a project of
the Boston University School of Public Health."

so who's betting that our tax dollars are helping keep that website up? :fire:
 
so who's betting that our tax dollars are helping keep that website up?

Didn't they learn their lesson last time they tried this?

Jim March and.... Oh, blast, I can't remember the other guys name...

Anyway, Brady had thier ticked called when they were doing this kind of thing in California. Seems like the VPC needs to have the same thing happen here, if they are operating out of a hospital, on taxpayer money.
 
Ledbetter and Unknownsailor,

Far be it from me to defend the anti-liberty propaganda machine that is Join Together, but Boston University is a private college.

http://www.jointogether.org/about/
About Join Together

Join Together, founded in 1991, supports community-based efforts to reduce, prevent, and treat substance abuse across the nation. We are primarily funded by a grant from The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation to the Boston University School of Public Health.

In 1996, Join Together broadened its scope to include gun violence prevention, supported by a grant from the Joyce Foundation. Additional funding for the gun violence project was awarded in 2001 by the David Bohnett Foundation. While our primary focus is substance abuse, we believe that communities need to employ comprehensive strategies that respond to its related harms.
 
"
Sirs:
Through the usual number of internet contacts, not to mention a visit to your
site, I've learned of you intention to "take action against gun violence". It's also
been noticed, as you'd expect, that this action takes the form of ensuring that no victim could possibly be armed, since we'd have laws to prevent that happening, and, since criminals don't, by definition, obey the law.

Still, I graduated from BU in 1980 with a BSEE, and I do remember the strikes and all the rest, and it doesn't really surprise me that the same old liberal line is front and center. But, after England and Australia, it should be apparent, even to an idiot, that neutering the good, and empowering the bad, is an idiot
idea.

In any case, I'm now resident in New Hampshire, a shall issue state for concealed weapons. I'm more than reasonably sure that almost all of my neighbors carry, since we all shoot in my back yard, or theirs, as convenience
suits.
And I feel very much safer for that fact, since the intent to help without the tools to do so is useless to all concerned. Not only that, it's not just my immediate neighbors who are armed, it's anyone who wishes to be in the entire
state, and so I've help state wide!
The officials, otherwise known as police, will show up later, to pick up the pieces, and, perhaps in one of our "larger" cities, complain about the vigilantes

In any case, while you've not changed my opinion of BU, or Boston and Massachusetts as a whole, you've ensured that no dollars from my wallet will ever flow to the college.

Have a good day, and remember to keep you self defence weapon, your cell phone close at hand.
Too, hope for the best, and give strong consideration to prayer! "


An e-mail sent to them, but it's really toothless, since, after the crap I went through getting the BS, about the only thing they'd ever get from me would be a tactical nuke, during the spring break, of course.

Still, every little bit...
 
Easy to get guns?

HA!!!!

A non-US resident has to have their Perment Resident card before they can buy a gun legaly in the US. To get a PR card you have to apply to immigration for PR status. Which you need a sponsor for. Either a business or a spouce. Then you have to go throught a Federal Back ground check. That can take from 6 months to 2 years. Then you get an interview.

If you pass all of the above you qualify for a PR card. Which takes about 6 months to be mailed to you. Then you can go buy one of these "easily obtainable" fire arms

I know this for a fact because my wife is from England, and I have personaly gone through all of the above. At great expence
 
Concur with the "Pox upon them" comment...

But I've got tell you a smack* to the head just might work better....



*Edited by TBM.
 
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