A Perspective on School Violence

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A Perspective on School Violence

We are devastated by senseless acts of violence; we are even more shocked when children and teens commit these acts. We ask, “How could this happen?”

Governments and communities have come to realize that they have underestimated the dangers of psychoactive drugs and psychological programs in schools.


Eight out of 13 U.S. school shootings were committed by teens taking prescribed psychotropic drugs known to cause violent and suicidal behavior.


At least five teens responsible for school massacres had undergone school-sanctioned “anger management” or other psychological behavior modification programs such as “death education.”


For decades, schools around the world have used “death education,” a psychological experiment in which the children are made to discuss suicide, what they would like placed in their coffins, and write their own epitaphs in an effort to “get kids more comfortable with death.” Anger management aims at curbing aggressive or violent behavior but virtually no reliable data exists to prove it can eliminate the problem. In one class, a boy beat up a classmate so badly that six days later the boy was still in the hospital.


Critics cite 18-year-old Eric Harris (right) and 17-year-old Dylan Klebold as prime examples of the failure of “anger management,” “death education” and psychiatric drugs. As students at Columbine High School, Colorado, they were asked to imagine their own death. Harris subsequently had a dream where he and Klebold went on a shooting rampage in a shopping center. In addition to attending these classes, Harris was taking an antidepressant drug known to cause mania (violent behavior). He even wrote about his killing spree dream and handed it in to the psychology teacher. Not long after, Harris and Klebold acted out the dream by shooting and killing 12 students and a teacher, and wounding 23 others.


On May 21, 1998, in Oregon, USA, 14-year-old Kip Kinkel shot and killed his parents and then went on a wild shooting spree at his high school, which left two dead and 22 injured. He was taking a psychiatric stimulant and had undergone a psychological “anger management” program.

The information on these pages makes it obvious that if education authorities sanction the combination of a psychological value system—psychologists argue that it is “value-neutral”—with violence-inducing, psychiatric drugs, we have a powder keg waiting for a spark.
 
Another feeble effort to divert attention from what every 'reasonable person' knows is the real root cause... eeevil guns. :cuss:
 
I only wish those kids offed the psychiatrists, teachers, and parents who systematically drugged them, rather than random fellow-students that happened to be at the wrong space-time coordinates.
 
I think that most of the post-Columbine shootings are contributed to by:
-imitation of columbine to express similar sentiments towards their classmates that klebold and harris had
-unmonitored psychological problems
-possibly inappropriate medication
-knowledge that their actions would succeed and be receive a wide audience

All of these problems except the first are easy to fix if only we had the will.

I have noticed that the media doesnt go nuts every time there is a school shooting anymore. It makes the news but it isnt treated with the level of shock and saturation that Columbine was. Allowing teachers to arm themselves might be an OK deterrent, but I dont know how this would float in the liberal areas where most of these shootings have taken place so far.

I wish parents would take more interest in their children and that be more hesitant to medicate them at the first sign of trouble. Screwing with people's brain chemistry isnt something that should be done lightly.
 
The issue is larger than the drugs and counseling. The drugs and counseling are to deal with anger and depression, but those are merely symptoms of the larger problem where kids are victimized by their classmates. The way public schools are run today, the administration has difficulty in getting rid of bullies (because the parents will sue) and the kids that are getting picked on have no right to self defense.

It sounds incredible but it is true, if you have a child who is getting beaten up up by one or more classmates and he or she throws a punch in self defense, your child will end up suspended with the kids who started it. The thinking is that any fighting, even self defense, will not be tolerated so all combatants will be suspended. It is completely perverse. The schools instead want the victim to come into the office after the beating and then complain so-and-so beat him/her. Of course when the school administrator calls in the accused bully, the bully denies hitting the victim and the school says it's one person's word against another so the school cannot do anything.

With most (not all) school shooters there are credible reports of the shooters being victims of sustained bullying prior to the rampage. That does not mean the shootings are justified. Rather, it points to the system that leaves the weak open to further harasment and attacks but offers no solution. If the schools were serious about this problem, they'd get on the stick and really work on the bully problem. Even if they don't toss the bullies out, let the victims defend themselves without the threat of suspension. The kids wouldn't be so upset and frustrated if they knew they were not being put in an impossible situation by the school. It might prevent a shooting or two.
 
What we often see, post attack, in school shootings, are that there were many warning signs, and that they were all missed.

In the Columbine attacks, the killers had large propane tanks which they had made into bombs to blow up in the school.

They were stored in the garage at their homes.

As a teenager, if I had tried to store a large propane tank with nails and other materials stuck on the outside in my parent's home, I would have been busted.

TIZ
 
Come now, who of us didn't toy with explosives as children?

I blame the media, the public school system, violent media for desensitizing kids to violence, and above all the parents!
 
Alot of the bullies are special ed kids, who act that way because of their "disability", and you can't "discriminate" against them because of their "disability", so they can literally get away with bringing a gun to school, whatever. If they beat up your kid, and your kid fights back, your kid will probably get in more trouble than them.
 
Alot of the bullies are special ed kids, who act that way because of their "disability", and you can't "discriminate" against them because of their "disability", so they can literally get away with bringing a gun to school, whatever. If they beat up your kid, and your kid fights back, your kid will probably get in more trouble than them.

While most of that statement is true, bringing a firearm on campus is NEVER a manifestation of a disability - legally speaking.

<edit> should read: Bringing a firearm on campus is never defensible using manifestation determination for short term placement. Arg...Legalease. If* the student's disability is said to have manifested in the bringing of the weapon, then a placement change would likely be in effect...see LRE (least restrictive environment.) A more restrictive environment would be implemented for the safty of the student and others.

It's possible that a high school student with a mild cognitive impairment could leave a .... hunting rifle in their car. In that case a Manifestation Determination Hearing could come to the conclusion that the infraction was a manifestation of their disability, yet it would not warrent a placement change.
 
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We are devastated by senseless acts of violence; we are even more shocked when children and teens commit these acts. We ask, “How could this happen?”

Good question:

My thoughts:

No discipline in home or schools:

Disinterested parents working 50-60hrs per week for the American dream.

Daycare from birth.

Children treated like adults at home and school.

None or very little extended family,many lucky if they have one parent.

Television/Video Games.

And no I don't have a clue on how to fix it.:(
 
Sounds to me like someone wants to rationalize:

1) Gubmint "convinced" some parents to let the Gumbmint take control , no need for responsible parenting. Now Gumbmint has to come up with a way to put the blame on "something" or "someone" else.

2) Need for more Gumbmint control , in regard to Gun Control , how schools ,anything is run. Theory is - is Gubmint is in control - Utopia is the result.

Nope, sorry - aint' buying it. Grew up with guns, knives, archery in and around my Public education from grades 1-12.

Criminals aint' wired right - reason we call them criminals. All sorts of happenings in all sorts of places.

My thinking is - well my state does not allow firearms on campus, not even CCW persons. This , along with other NO CCW areas the criminals are aware nobody can have a gun - so no worry of gettng shot.

Criminals also know folks have to get to and from Schools - b/t commutes , Prey is easy to spot. Be it a parent , or a college student. Not real hard to pick a prey and follow off campus.

Let CCW folks have guns on campus. Let the teachers, staff, parents, and Students of age CCW.

You do not hear of these criminals / kids running down to the LEO station to start shooting do you? Make no nevermind if sober, drunk, high, or weirded out with meds...LEO station means LEO, and LEO have guns. Liable to get shot trying to get attention over something - or make a statement - even playing copycat of another shooting.

NO gun restrictions - period.

Then if a kid comes into school and starts shooting ..."Guess you broke into the WRONG Home-Ec room!" ;)

My apologies DR. Rob, your sig was appropriate just had to tweak it a bit.

Steve
 
There has been a definite change in young people. I graduated from a rural high school in 1985. All the boys carried big knives and most had a firearm in their vehicle in the parking lot. The school gave away knives and guns in fund raising programs at school. We butchered animals on campus in Ag class and had turkey shoots.

With the principle's permission, I kept a rifle in my locker WITHOUT A LOCK. I worked on it in my spare time in the shop. I would walk around with it on campus to take it to and from the school or shop. Students and teachers would stop by my locker to take a look at the progress that I made on my project with it. I had it in my locker for so long that I built two different stocks for it.

Most people practiced "getting a grip" along with "life is hard, deal with it" and a big measure of personal responsibility.
 
ghost squire said:
Come now, who of us didn't toy with explosives as children?

I blame the media, the public school system, violent media for desensitizing kids to violence, and above all the parents!


As a kid, I used gun toys, BB guns... real guns. Watched war movies, a lot of westerns..... this did not make me a criminal. But my parents were very loving. And I think the major problem today is both parents do work and have less time for their children. They do miss that special affection or bound.... Also a lot of pressure is put on kids. Also when I grew up in the 60s/70s (I am 44) I was not too worry about fashion and there was not much pressure on kids about how they dressed. In fat I did not too much choice: whtever my mom would give me to wear I had to wear...end of story. Today, some kids would do anything to get the latest trend clothing or electronic gadgets ... and I blame that on the coorporate world who looks at those kids as consumers and put in their brain that they need to buy goods in order to be somebody!!!
 
On the one hand we wring our hands over what's happening to kids. It's always, on the left, "for the children."

But the real story, as I see it, is that we are becoming a culture that preys on children, both consciously and unconsciously, in so many ways. It is about far more than the child molesters and abductors. Why this should be so can be debated endlessly. I happen to believe it is because we have lost our spiritual center in a radical way. This is what the war of "right" against "left" is really all about, and the kids, unfortunately, are in the middle of it, are the test-bed, and the battleground.
 
Are there any reputable reviews of the medical literature showing a statistically significant antidepressant/violence link in children and adolescents? It's an interesting question and I'd like to investigate it a bit more. I'm talking about peer-reviewed reviews, not somebody's collection of citations.
 
benEzra,

http://www.ccbd.net/behavioraldisorders/Journal/index.cfm

Membership is required to actually get into the journals. A university library would likely carry the journals.

http://www.ccbd.net/beyondbehavior/index.cfm?categoryID=D646D293-C09F-1D6F-F9C4E203B21F5EB8

I was able to access these journals, but it's not quite as research based.

http://www.ccbd.net/links/index.cfm?categoryID=668A78D6-C09F-1D6F-F9B1B717A300A107

This is a link page to all manners of research - anecdotal and research


EDIT> This one might be your best bet - http://www.psycline.org/
 
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