Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Rocketmedic, Feb 28, 2013.
I happen to work in the mental health field. So I do have some knowledge in this area. Mentally ill people become so in many ways. Naturally (develops between 16-25 yoa), as a result of abuse, stress, drugs, genetic defect etc.
The "spike" in violence I don't believe is any more real than global warming. It's just the amount of attention it's getti g from the media. Now there may be some truth to an increase of mass shootings. And that I believe is a result of mental illness. Sane people don't kill others for no reason.
The cause I believe is PISS POOR parenting. People don't know how to spend time with their kids anymore. They would rather set them infront of a tv or video game console and let that do the parenting. The problem is kids don't want to watch Sesame Street or play Mario. They want to watch the stuff their parents do. Basically violence. So that's what kids come to understand is normal. And that is why kids heros are violent.
The other problem, and I tell parents this everyday, in sitting your kid infront of the tv or video game disassociates them from society. It almost completely inhibits their ability to deal with the problems we faced as kids from other kids. And when that happens, kids return to what they know, violence. I'm not talking about a fist fight. I'm talking about shooting someone or anyone who hurt their feelings. And often they do it as if they were really in the video game or movie. I put it like this. "Video Games: Turning losers into winners everyday".
I have no problem with video games, even violent games. And i dont believe all kids that play video games are losers. But it has to be in moderation. Kids NEED to be around other kids. They NEED the social skills associated with human contact. But they aren't getting it. Parents NEED to be involved more with their children. But it's not cool to spend time with mom or dad (or both if the kid is really lucky). It's much cooler to be a hero on a game or watch a hero on tv as he violently kills bad guys.
Ask 20 young (6-15 year old) kids who their hero is. You might get 3 to say one of their parents. The rest will be someone violent.
Ask the same kids what's their favorite thing to do. Their answer will almost unanimously be play video games. It's not go fishing or play catch with mom or dad. And that's SOOO sad.
Psychology is a bogus field and I have zero regard for any such "professional's" opinion.
As always, it is better to talk psychology and have studies to cite, otherwise it turns into a discussion of philosophy and that goes nowhere really fast.
Did you have a bad experience with it?
It was a good read
Are you referring to my opinion Sunny?
In today's witch-hunt environment admissions like that could come back to bite you in serious ways.
Very true leadchucker,
If someone in the wrong circle read that at least in my state, that's really close to grounds to be EDO'd for a psych eval.
I appreciate the timing of this post. I am raising an 8 month old daughter. And the short response (since I am currently holding her while she's sleeping!) is I couldn't agree more. My generation (I am on the border of gen-x and millennials) is far more interested in being a child's friend than a proper authority figure or role model. Also, those my age seem to have different priorities, which usually involve their own needs over their child's.
No. I minored in psych for my first degree. I was stunned at how often the field revised its previously sacred positions. I was mostly repulsed at how much of an impact popular opinion has on psychiatric medicine and psychological theory.
That, and the lack of success they have in the real world demonstrates its a bogus field.
And something else SunnySlopes,
Tell some of the returning Vets and even some Vets from Nam that I deal with daily that have PTSD that it's a bogus field. Watch the terror in their eyes when a door slams. Watch a returning vet 19 year old kid that sits at a table completely void of emotion, just stares and has tears rolling down his cheeks with the saddest look you've ever seen. Tell me then that it's bogus. Watch a mother sit in a room by herself and try to rescue a child that died in a car wreck 3 weeks ago. Tell me its bogus. How dare you, you ignorant, pompous, ass. You don't know a damn thing about it.
Apparantly I've struck a chord.
At any rate, you've described symptoms of psychological disorder. I never said there weren't people who suffer from such.
I'm saying so called "professionals" in the field can't help these people. A psychiatrist can prescribe medicine. That's about as far as it goes. But the medicine doesn't cure, now does it?
People have about as much a success rate of recovery on their own as they do relying on either psychiatrists or psychologists.
And that doesn't even address the scam of the counseling industry in general. In most states one can offer, for a fee, counseling services with a mere master's in counseling. That's a joke.
As far as the grieving mother, grief has stages and she'll recover with or without counseling. In her case, a sympathetic ear, whether from a psychiatrist, minister or wise friend is what's needed.
Lest you've missed the point, and apparantly you have, when some so-called mental health professional denigrates my firearm's ownership, it means nothing, as he is grossly unqualified to begin with.
Hey let's try to keep this civil!
Trust me. Any lack of civility is purely one sided. I'm merely expressing an opinion based upon personal observations. That's why they call it an "opinion."
I think you would be more correct to claim that certain parts of psychology are bogus, rather than the entire field itself, because that's simply not true at all. And like any other science, it's constantly adapting to new discoveries. If it didn't change at all I would cry foul. You are simplifying the human psyche far too much. But if counseling will help someone recover faster, what is the issue? That's their own prerogative. Not everyone has it all figured out for themselves in tough times and it can certainly help when their minds are overcast with emotion.
To get this thread back on track.....
Parenting: one thing I have noticed (this is anecdotal, I am not a scientist) is that many parents are all about trying "new methods" of parenting (ie "Tiger Moms" ). Yet many times when you ask these people the question "did your parents raise you right?" Generally, they will answer "yes". It seems odd to me, that you would not raise your kids in the same manner that you were raised, even though by and large you might say that your parents did "a good job". How can anyone possibly know the consequenses of raising your kids, using methods that they are not sure will even work right??? It seems like madness to me.....
I also see quite a bit of parents being "friends" with their kids. I am friends with my parents now, however this was not the case when I was growing up. My parents were most emphatically *not* my friends. They were authority figures.
Yeah same here. When you're an adult, it's a different story. I'm totally friends with my parents and I wouldn't want it any other way. But when I was growing up, my parents were definitely authority figures.
Well we can just agree to disagree. I've seen first hand in the field. You read text books. I'm done with this thread. It's like a 1st Lt. fresh out of the academy thinking he knows more about war than a Staff Sargeant who's has done 3 tours
I appologize. Back on track.
You are correct. The parents are supposed to be the guides for children. To teach right and wrong. To reward good behavior, and punish bad. Being friends with your child or giving in to their wants for fear they won't like you is only doing them a disservice. The Xbox or tv should never be the guide.
I agree with these observations on both levels.
You certainly are entitled to your opinion. But it shouldn't come as a real surprise to you that other people think differently than you.
Please keep it civil, as I'm really enjoying this thread.
Rocketmedic - you said, "as proven by Dr. Bandera", and mentioned the name again a few sentences later. Did you mean Dr. Bandura?
FWIW, "Aspergers Syndrome" is no longer a thing and has been dropped from the DSM-5.
The characteristics formerly attributed to "Aspies" are now considered to be part of Autism spectrum disorder.
In any case, publicly labeling yourself as mentally or emotionally impaired is a bad idea.
What is the danger in being honestvabout something? I'm already trusted with quite a lot of responsibility.
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