A realization of weapons in plain sight.

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Carl Levitian

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Getting old is the proverbial female canine.

The hard realization has finally hit me that as a senior citizen I am now firmly in the cross hairs of the predators. With htis realization comes the appreciation of the weapon in plain sight factor. As much as we work out, keep in shape as much as we can, the ugly truth is that we slow down a bit every year we manage to survive another birthday. If push comes to shove, every saved fraction of a second makes a difference in defending ourselves against a younger and faster attacker bent on taking waht's left of our social security check from our wallet.

I guess I never thought about it much until recently, and the indecent in Key West, and how we are seen by the stalking wolves that are looking for the old deer at the back of the herd. When I was in my 30's, I never had a problem anywhere. When I was in my 40's I never ha a problem anywhere. Heck, I never had a problen in my 50's either.

I did have a incident or two in my 60's. Late 60's.

It seems like the probability of needing all these weapons and skill to use them while a young man, is unlikely. The predators aren't looking for a fight. They're looking for a cheap and easy meal that won't hurt them. Some young dark haired guy in his 30's is not on their menu. But the white haired old guy on a cane is maybe the blue plate special to them. I know that I always knew this on a lower level, but now it's come up in sight to me with a clarity that I never really had before.

Now I really see the importance of a weapon that is not a weapon. The so called common everyday object that can be right in hand without looking suspicious. Being right there in hand it;s ready for instant use with no groping, pulling out, drawing. Just suddenly use. A cane, pen, AA minimag, whatever.

I only have really been reflecting on this as one of my neighbors was tried by a would be mugger. Nicer little lady named Mary, all of five foot three or four, silver hair. A retired operating room nurse. She came out of safeway with her basket, pushing it to her car when a young would made his try. Kind of a "Hey lady," trying to get her attention while waling toward her. Mary kept walking and the guy walks faster to overtake her. Mary gets to her car, and instead of taking out her keys, she takes out her pen, making like to cross something off the list on her piece of paper. The guy goes to grab her arm, telling her to keep quiet and hand her the wallet. Instead, Mary jams the pen into the guys face with no warning. She nails him a few times, while screaming bloody murder, and the guy runs off.

Talking with Mary afterward, she tells us that she knew it was going to be a attempted robbery from the way the guys was acting. Looking around, nervous, making sure nobody was that close. Mary had taken some defense classes, and was carrying an all metal pen recommend by the defense guy that was teaching the nurses when she was still working at the hospital. It was right there in her hand when the guy got to her, and as she saw him coming, it was natural to take out the pen and act like she was fiddling with her shopping list.

Of course the police picked the guy up in 15 minutes. He was bleeding from some good torn wounds in his face, and one of Mary's strikes had almost taken out an eye. This is the second time some older woman in my neck of the woods has used a pen in self defense. A few years ago, a lady in her 70's was sitting in a church of all places, writing, and an attempted assault took place. In that instance, a plain plastic stick pen did the trick.

Most of my neighbors are in the senior citizen age range. It's an older established neighborhood, with most of us being here for over 20 years. Lot's of empty nesters, and we all get together for BBQ's and socializing. The subject of defense has come up now and then, and most of the men all carry some sort of stout walking stick. Some of us men folk have got together down a basement and practiced with our sticks on an old duct taped up duffle bag. Being Maryland, guns aren't in the cards, so we make do. But the weapon in plain sight has become more appreciated now than when we were young. We're not as fast, so if something saves us a second, we'll take it. It just may give us a little jump on the wolf that thinks we're the deer at the back of the herd. If that's considered dirty and underhanded, so be it. We'll leave the fair fights to John Wayne. That stuff we trained in when young is of very little use now. I did the karate thing back in the 70's, but now with arthritis I couldn't begin to do those moves. Most of my friends are the same. We realize that we've got old somehow, and it's time to rethink the whole approach.

Sneaky, and using some everyday object right in hand at the get-go is a good place to start.
 
I heard some statistics that the elderly are more often victims of violence in their homes than the streets and that they're less likely than young men to be involved in violence.

They may be more vulnerable, but they don't engage in the behaviors that put them at great risk.

Your point about adapting to physical limitations and feeling more vulnerable is on target, but the actual risk of being involved in a violent encounter is probably lower for folks of your age.

Of course, most folks your age don't walk down darkened streets in a strange town at 2AM singing drunkenly with friends.;)
 
Virtuallt anything that is harder than your hand can be used as a weapon. If you take a little time to think and pre-arrange it you can almost always have some something suitable either on you or close at hand.
 
'I heard some statistics that the elderly are more often victims of violence in their homes than the streets and that they're less likely than young men to be involved in violence.

They may be more vulnerable, but they don't engage in the behaviors that put them at great risk.

Your point about adapting to physical limitations and feeling more vulnerable is on target, but the actual risk of being involved in a violent encounter is probably lower for folks of your age.

Of course, most folks your age don't walk down darkened streets in a strange town at 2AM singing drunkenly with friends. "
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Well, at our age we don't make it a point to regularly go out drinking at bars till the wee hours. But on the other hand, I know too many 'older' folks who are prisoners in their own homes for fear of going out. They won't venture out at all if it's getting close to dark, and I think that's a shame. I just refuse to be held hostage like that. If the wolves hunt in pairs, then go out in numbers. Figure what you can do, instead of what you can't do. Life is to be lived, with moderation of course. My guess is that young men out late and drinking get into testosterone fueled fights that a senior citizen will not. Getting to a certain age, you have no illusion as to your vulnerability, so it's easier to walk away from a situation. But if you can't, be sneaky as you can.

I remember the history channel had a segment on the Q-ship idea. They would take some dilapidated old tramp steamer and fit it with guns hidden in drop down fake cargo crates and such. When a U-boat would surface to sink it with gunfire rather than waste a torpedo on it, the fake cargo stuff would drop away and they'd open fire with 5 inch guns or bigger. The U-bost never had a chance. I figure a senior citizen using the same theory may do well. Certainly if Mary could suddenly use the pen in her hand to drive off a mugger, there's a lesson in there someplace. An older person with a common everyday object in hand is in a spot to launch a good ambush. With the element of surprise, it could work well. I think that the bad guys have a certain plan worked out in their head, and when something derails that plan, especially if it's a painful derailment, they loose it and chicken out. Certainly Mary would have been no match for this guy in a real fight. If she weighs more than 115 to 120 pounds I'd be shocked. Slim little thing. But she sent a bad guy packing. I can only think it shocked the ever loving heck out of him when he almost lost and eye. As it was, the pen hit his cheekbone just under the eye, and tore a bloody furrow up along the eye socket. That wasn't part of his plan.

As for singing drunkenly with friends at 2AM, all I can say it was Key West, we were on vacation, and those guys never would have had a chance. :D

Carl.
 
I know too many 'older' folks who are prisoners in their own homes for fear of going out. They won't venture out at all if it's getting close to dark, and I think that's a shame.

That's their fear and not what the facts show. Heck, as the Boomers get older they're reclaiming the evenings that "old folks" abandoned. I think it is a generational culture issue. Phrases like "60 is the new 50" have been kicking around for the past dozen years as the Baby Boom generation pass 60 and as a more active lifestyle is being retained and promoted (love the Toyota commercials playing on this).
 
When I lived out in West Texas one of the officers in our gun club, 85 years young and on a cane from a recent knee replacement, shot the same qualification course as the local Sheriff's Office with an Argentine Sistema type 1911 with full power 230 FMJ and shot 448 out of 500. He would shake like a leaf in a gale until the moment of firing, then everything got still and he tripped the shot. Not someone to be trifled with.

In one of the come as you are sections of Houston, an 88 years young WWII veteran was sitting on the pouch of his house in a neighborhood that over the years went from nice to drug infested warzone. Gang members used to walk by his house on the sidewalk and taunt him and call him an old man while he sat in his wheelchair on his porch. One day one of the gang members walked into his yard and up on his porch. When the gang member grabbed his wheel chair, he was shot at muzzle contact range with a Ruger Super Blackhawk .44 Magnum.

Being old does not mean being a victim. If you are older and still of strong mind and constitution, weapons training with firearms or other weapons can still be beneficial. I had an 82 years young man in my first CHL class that shot 248 out of 250 with a WWII era S&W Pre-Model 10 .38 Special.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
Shortly after the Chesterfield, VA shooting in a restaurant a friend and I were out eating lunch. Since we both worked in "rights restricted" environments we were unarmed. It led to a discussion of what we could do if something happened right then were we were eating. We both grabbed napkins and started writing down what we could use in our immediate environment if something bad happened and then we exchanged lists.

If it highlighted anything at all it was this....

With the right mindset nearly ANYTHING can be a weapon!

Although I do have to admit that the "ranged weapon" category was a bit weak and it quickly became obvious that restaurants may have a fair amount of concealment but almost NO actual cover. :(
 
BTW, this may be a recent epiphany for you, but we've been advocating to the members here for several years consciously selecting every day items that will serve well as defensive tools.

Items you carry with you all the time that will be there with you when you need them are more useful than those you leave at home. Pick the better ones that instead of folding or breaking or collapsing or "mushing" will fold, mush, collapse, and break your assailant.
 
Let's not forget that all this starts with situational awareness, and state of mind. You first have to be aware something is happening, then be willing and able to act.
 
It actually starts with accepting responsibility for yourself and that's a mindset that many people just don't have.
 
Md recently passed a shall issue type law. It will definitely get fought but it's progress. Sorry but I can't easily link for you right now... And it is OT anyway.
 
Yeah, and the (insert very dirty name here) Gansler has already had yet another stay put up. Now they will be hearing verbal arguments in October. Don't hold your breath pal, The Peoples Republik Of Maryland will get ccw shall issue when pigs fly. Those sons of ------- in Annapolis are just like the ones in D.C. They don't give a d---- what the court says, they ain't gonna let it happen.

Carl.
 
Weapons in plain sight is all that I have available 1/2 the year. I teach at what some would call a pretty rough school. Chemistry mostly, and I have a lab, which means I have aluminum ring stand rods ( think 3'x 3/4" metal rod, pointed at one end). We have a thread on short sticks, so i won't go into the obvious, but that's what my "go to" is while at work.

We all know that school shootings happen these days, and there's been more than one occasion where I've had to go looking for a bomb, break up a fight, help search for weapons, or hold my students when we've gone on lock down. Sucks that I have to be without a firearm at work, but it is what it is, so yeah, I totally get the point of this thread, and would add that the need to be aware of what could be used to defend oneself in a pinch is not exclusive to our "older" folks.

Good thread Carl.


Jason
 
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"I totally get the point of this thread, and would add that the need to be aware of what could be used to defend oneself in a pinch is not exclusive to our "older" folks."

To point out the obvious, also be aware that these same items can be used by those intent on doing harm. Be safe out there.
 
Carl,
I turn 60 on Sunday. Not a bad thing by any means, because I live in a very pro-self protection state, Indiana. I have a life time concealed carry permit that transfers to almost all of the states to which we travel. Heck I can travel from MI to FL legally armed. I like that a lot.
Nonetheless, I have started two training disciplines. One is a form of Kenpo, much watered down. My trainer calls it the "5 second street fight". Sounds a bit over the top but the components are devastating. The other is Escrima.
Why, when I can carry legally most everywhere I go? Someone on THR mentioned a layered defense system. The more I thought about the fact of immediately going to a deadly force level encounter, the more obvious it became to me that there is a better way.
As we become older and slower, it is incumbent on us to become more creative and to create a tool box that fits our age and fitness level. I do not condone aging gracefully. I weigh less than I did when I graduated from high school and can put up fences as fast as an 18 year old. My only point is that is more imperative not to let our bodies become that trailing feeble deer at the back of the herd. I do clearly understand that, due to injuries or other maladies, some people may not have that choice.
One last thought. I do understand why people stay in their home states but the cost can be your life or the life of someone you love. I would not live in the handful of the anti concealed carry states. We all know which they are.
No way for me. No matter how important my home place is, I will be gone like the birds in winter if the climate turned anti-gun.
Great thread and I appreciate your thoughts.

Jim
 
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