N.F. weapons, different for boys and girls.

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Carl Levitian

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Okay, I know most of you found out the difference between the boys and girls a very long time ago. For better of worse, and found out there's a really big difference in thinking process. As totally different creatures, they think with the opposite hemisphere of their brains. I read that someplace a long time ago. I've been known to read a book now and then.

When it comes down to non firearm weapons for us, the girls need a whole different set of tools than us men. I do believe it all goes back to the hunter-gatherers. We, the men, were the hunters, and the women folk stayed close to the cave waiting for us to bring back that haunch of mastodon or warthog to eat. Just in case the hunt was a bust, they gathered what roots and berries and fruit that grew not to far from the cave. They became the gatherers.

I am sitting her looking out my window, watching a bunch of the little boys in the neighborhood playing. They have a couple of plastic bats, a plastic whiffle ball, and they swing real good for 6 to 9 year olds. When Karen and I go for a hike in the woods, and take the trails in Black Hill Regional park, I see little boys with their families hiking the trails and most of them, by some ancient instinct, have picked up a stick to use as a hiking stick, but once in a while they take a good swing at a offending bush or tree limb.

Instinct.

Like Lorne Green said in the old Alpo commercials, you can't breed it out of an animal. It's there in a DNA level in our genes. I see little boys swinging a variety of sticks, but the little girls stay close to mom or dad.

The hunter-gatherers, and instinct.

I have read all these posts where some guy wants to pick a weapon for his wife/girlfriend/mother/ and people recommend all kinds of things. Aside from a gun, which levels the playing field like no other tool, not all non-firearm tools are equal. While I love the stick, and think it the uncrowned king of non- firearm weapons, I have to take into account I'm a hunter. For my better half, who's a gatherer, I have to admit a stick may not do. Women in general, are smaller than us, weaker than us, and more hesitant to use force than us. They are not going to swing a stick/club as soon and with enough force. Mostly. Yes, I know there are exceptions, I wouldn't want to face Martina Navratilova with a cane in her hand. The way she swung a tennis racket in her day, she'd still probably take my head off. Steffie Graf would be wicked with a blackthorn stick in her hand. But I'm talking in general.

In some parts of the world, it's common to have women armed with a blade of some type. In view of man's evolution this makes sense. Women have been meal fixers, gatherers, harvesters, and have been well acquainted with sharp tools. John Wayne Bobbitt learned the hard way not to P.O. a little lady from South America. From Latin America to the far east, a female may well have been taught by a family member on what to do with a sharp knife. For almost 20 years I had a co-worker, Dep Li, from the former Republic Of South Viet Nam. Dep was an attractive lady, with very long black hair and dark almond shaped eyes that had a twinkle in them when she smiled, which was most of the time. But one winter, when it got dark early, a lady in the next building had an attempted assault on her. News was spread by our security people and women were asked not to leave the building after dark without male escort. Dep told us she wasn't worried, and showed us (her co-workers) the razor sharp boning knife in her purse. She'd made a nice little sheath for it out of cardboard and duct tape, and secured it in her purse standing up so the handle was just an inch below the opening. Her comment was that maybe if the guy attacked her, she'd maybe fix him so he was not a threat to women anymore. She wasn't smiling when she said it.

My own better half was the offspring of a blond haired Georgia cracker boy and a Mexican gal when he was getting his PBY training on the Texas gulf coast in WW2. My Karen grew up on the Texas/Mexican border, and after the war, her father had become a meteorologist for the U.S. Weather Service, and specialized in the study of hurricanes in the gulf. He found himself stationed back in the gulf coast of Texas in Brownsville, and Karen grew up knowing her family on the other side of the border. It was her Uncle Enriche who showed the girls how to protect themselves with a utility knife or hawkbill. The Brownsville/Harlingen area was known as 'the Valley', and was a huge producer of citrus. Everybody carried a knife, and a great deal of them were hawkbills. Assaults on women were almost unheard of. When Karen had a would-be predator try her, he ended up with his arm opened up from the back of his wrist to the elbow. Uncle Enriche would have been proud. He'd taught the girls well.

It's a fact of science that women have faster reflexes than us, and greater dexterity, offsetting the smaller weaker thing. With a sharp cutter in hand, a woman becomes a much more dangerous prey to try to take down. They know they are smaller and weaker, and they will defend from a standpoint of fear. Fear will dump great amounts of adrenaline and they can be very quick. Give your better half a magic marker and tell her to 'cut you with it' as you try to take her down. Take a count of how many marks you'll have on you. You may take her down, but you're gonna get cut really good. For a would be rapist, that makes a difference. Karen's friend that she's mentored from the agency that helps down and out women, Kate, is a prime example of a small female surviving in a very dangerous environment.

Kate is all of about 5 foot three inches and is she's more than 115 pounds, it's soaking wet with a couple rolls of coins in her purse. Yet she's survived working in some of the sleaziest strip clubs in Washington D.C. by way of her box cutter. She told Karen of her first job as a dancer in this one place, where the head bouncer was this biker guy, and he taught the new girls how to defend themselves. He and his wife (one of the other dancers) showed Kate how to conceal a box cutter, and how to use it, getting it into action with a bump against the base. Short fast cuts to he hands were first on the list. Cripple the hands and escape is more possible. Kate survived almost 20 years in some of the worst places in the city. She's used her box cutter once, and threatened with it many times. Apparently after being warned with the "I'll cut you!" her attempted assailants backed off and she got out of Dodge. They just were not willing to get cut for a piece of her. The street guys knew a box cutter makes a nasty gash, and backed away from a little blond.

A guy on the other hand, is like the little boys I see playing. They grew up swinging a stick, or bat, and had their share of after school "Oh Yeah?" kind of scuffles. Fist fights, wrestling, shoving matches. No shortage of brute force on force for little boys being boys. Physical contact was accepted and even encouraged by watching their heroes duke it out on TV or the movie screen. The would be hunters watching the grown up hunters. The right brain thinking. Give a guy a stick for hiking in the woods, and it's only a matter of time till he takes a swing at a bush. It's the instinct kicking in. Lorne Green was right. I guess the genes from 50,000 years ago are still there. Gronk has club. Gronk brains warthog. Gronk brings haunch of warthog back to cave to the gatherers for cooking. Gatherer take obsidian flake and cuts up haunch of warthog.

I do know that with my own experience with my daughter and granddaughter, they seemed to take to a small cutter way better than a club like tool. My own sister was taught by dad down the basement of our home after an incident when she was walking home from junior high school. Dad hung up an old pair of pants stuffed with rags, and showed Anne what to do with a little Christy knife. Years later, in her early 20's, Anne used the Christy knife on a would be attacker. She had walked out in that parking lot at night with her hand in her purse like dad had taught her, and her thumb right on the slide button of the little knife in her hand. She had been taught to be ready, and she was. But there's no way she'd have been served as well with a blunt force tool like a stick. For the close range of a sexual assault, a stick can be blocked too easy and wrested away from the would be victim. Awfully hard to block a fast upward slash of a small razor sharp cutter without getting cut badly.

On the other hand, a street guy using a throw-away kitchen paring knife as a mugging tool, getting close to a victim carrying a stout stick, is in a bad spot if the would be victim starts swing away with no warning, trying for that deep left field homer with the muggers head. Or knife arm. A man is going to swing with everything he's got, right from the get go.

It seems to me, a stick works best for a normal run of the mill guy, while a box cutter or such works best for the regular woman on the street. At least that's the way it seems to work out for the people I know who live and work on the street of Washington D.C. I think it was this forum that I told of the people in my group session at the V.A. hospital. The V.A. hospital is on Irving street, which is not a real great section of D.C. The people I got to know were from D.C.'s less than well to do neighborhoods. All the men carried some sort of walking stick. I was informed by them that most of the time, muggings are done with a disposable kitchen knife, and guns were saved for more serious robberies of convenience stores and drive-bys on the gang in another neighborhood. Seems like the run of the mill homie wants something that fits up his hoodie sleeve, can be ditched fast with no loss, and easy to replace. The cheap kitchen knife fits the bill. It's pointy, shiny, scares the target person in the suit, and he hands over his wallet and cell phone. The wallet is emptied of cash, the cell phone ditched and they are gone. They only want your cell phone to slow you down from calling the cops. Every minute escape helps.

Or so it goes in life on the street in our nation's capital.

Hunters and gatherers. Give your gatherer a box cutter and you tote a nice sturdy walking stick, and you're pretty set. At least here in the Washington D.C. and Maryland suburbs. Of course, they may let us carry guns some day, but if pigs had wings they'd be able to fly.
 
Respectfully disagree.

There's nothing genetic about weapon selection beyond the ability to move a larger mass.

One of the most impressive butt whoopings I've ever taken in a class was handed out by a young woman in an FMA class. Using one escrima stick she owned me in spite of wielding two. It would have been humbling if had thought that I was one bit better than her. Instead it was enlightening. Even resorting to brute force and every trick I could throw (including throwing one of my sticks to distract her as I dove in to tackle her) she veritably danced around me tapping out code that could have only read "No, not like that!".

Conversely, I watched my wife skin a Nine Lives Institute graduate in a practice knife class. The poor guy looked like he'd been run across several cheese graters by the end of the first day (we were working with metal practice knives). Even his use of stick didn't help him much since the instructor was training us to get inside the reach of the opponent with the stick. He'd wind up like the little boys you described and she'd hop right in and hook or "cut" him or she'd hop back when he swung and jump inside his reach and "cut" him up jamming his arms against his body as he swung through.

It ain't about genetics. It's all about training.
 
Great article, Carl.

I was reading an interesting article not long ago called "Women Warriors of Japan." And one thing that stuck with me is that females in old Japan had a variation of weaponry compared to their male counterparts. The Japanese women did not favor the sword or staff, but rather prefered the bow and arrow, the naginata (a glaive-like pole-arm with a 2 foot blade) and the kaiken, a small dagger concealed in the folds of her kimono. The bow and naginata gave her distance from the male fighter, and preventing him from bringing his strength and sword to bear, and gave the leverage to wound without much brute force. And the kaiken was kept hidden, brought out in a flash of steel when attacker least expected it.

Likewise, I was also reading of knife fighting in Spain. While the large navaja (a gigantic folder with a blade 6-12 inches long) was the favorite of male gypsies, women always had their smaller salvavirgos ("savior of chastity") hidden in their skirt.

I had an interesting learning experience with my wife many years back before we were married. She had a padded katana, and I used a pair of rubber daggers to make it "fair." Try as she might, she couldn't land a hit on me, but I could not hit her either. Then we switched. She proceeded to slash my forearm and let me have it in the gut. She's kept a hawkbill ever since.

EDIT: Though I would agree with HSO, training can nullify the difference. Sword to sword in fencing and kendo classes, I didn't notice much of a difference between genders.
 
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Training and a mental mindset to use what you have wins out. When I worked at St Vincent in LR Ar back in the mid 1980's a rapist came in and later died from a Cross Pen slapped into his temple by a little office receptionist. :D
 
It ain't about genetics. It's all about training.
In the absence of training I would expect genetics to play a rather large role. The OP did say, that he was talking about your average, run of the mill man or woman, and I doubt that the average woman has taken FMA classes.
 
Most of the Wimens I have known, use a well sharpened tongue to ward of most wanna be trouble makers. I dear ole Mom, God rest Her soul, took many a wayward lad by the ear, back in here day. But fear was not a word that generation had much time for. they were at the top of the food chain, and knew it.
 
In Viking culture, the women were the ones that skinned the animals and chopped the firewood, so they were good at using knives, hatchets, and axes. American Indians were the same as were most pre-firearms cultures.

Nowadays, with firearms, women excel at sniping in the Russian Army and the Israeli Defense Force.

My first wife could haul two 5 gallon buckets of paint at one time, of course I never laid an angry hand against her or she would beat me to death with my own arm. I gave her a Spyderco filet knife to keep handy, but she only used it to cut stuff, not people. :)
 
Those observations are a result of societal training...our norms are passed onto the youth.

The media in general pushes the image of the female as an emotional creature, while it pushes the dual images of the effeminate male and the alpha male...these also shape our youth.

Really, there's a firearm for everyone. I know a woman who's about as stereotypically feminine as they come, pink-explosion sums up her style. What does she have? A pink .357 snubnose. She loves that thing, heck it even has a name. And yes, she's an amazing shot with it.

On the other hand, a guy I know stands by his 22mag NAA mini-revolver. I'm the fan of autoloaders out of my group.

Different carry pistols for different people. I never try to pidgeonhole anyone into anything within reason. For example, when my mother comes to visit, she wants to shoot a gun for the first time in her life. She's barely 5ft tall...there's no way in heck I'd start her with my double-stack 9mm. She simply can't get her hands around it. I'd start her with a .22 pistol and if she can handle it and wants something with more oomph, maybe rent a PPK for her to try out. If I had a 9mm that would fit her hands, I'd let her try it out.

That's the thing....be practical, but don't stereotype.
 
"Those observations are a result of societal training...our norms are passed onto the youth.

The media in general pushes the image of the female as an emotional creature, while it pushes the dual images of the effeminate male and the alpha male...these also shape our youth.

Really, there's a firearm for everyone. I know a woman who's about as stereotypically feminine as they come, pink-explosion sums up her style. What does she have? A pink .357 snubnose. She loves that thing, heck it even has a name. And yes, she's an amazing shot with it.

On the other hand, a guy I know stands by his 22mag NAA mini-revolver. I'm the fan of autoloaders out of my group.

Different carry pistols for different people. I never try to pidgeonhole anyone into anything within reason. For example, when my mother comes to visit, she wants to shoot a gun for the first time in her life. She's barely 5ft tall...there's no way in heck I'd start her with my double-stack 9mm. She simply can't get her hands around it. I'd start her with a .22 pistol and if she can handle it and wants something with more oomph, maybe rent a PPK for her to try out. If I had a 9mm that would fit her hands, I'd let her try it out.

That's the thing....be practical, but don't stereotype. "




I believe that since we were in the non-firearm forum, thats what we were talking about. Guns are the great leveler of playing fields, as I said. But take away the guns like in Maryland and some other places, and you get a whole different ballgame.

There will always be exeptions, but take the first 20 women out of the exit of an office building at 5 o'clock, and then take 20 men at random, and give them a block of instruction on the expandable baton, and then the small cutter, and see what happens. At the end of the instruction, you'll be able to take the baton away from at least half the women, but give them a magic marker and simuate getting cut good while trying to take it away from them, and see what happens. On the other hand, watch the guys with the club. They will have no problem swinging to take their attackers head off with enough gusto that they'll probably break anything in the way. Sure, you can bring up the female that's had several years of MA practice, but get real. For the run of the mill 120 pound female who is not looking to turn to years of MA training, who just wants to stop an attack, what is going to work for her vs a normal guy who's grown up playing contact sports and swing a bat or golf club? Men are more adapted to using blunt force and a club, and women are more adapted to the slicer. I've seen it all through the middle east and Latin America, and south east Asia. And on the streets of Washington D.C. the women of less than good nieghborhoods carry box cutters and sliding blade utility knives, not sticks or clubs of any type. A woman will stick you or cut you if you back her into a corner, where a man will strike out with blunt force.

One of Bill Moran's popular sellers was a little spike dagger called the Lady Margaret, after his wife Margaret. He sold them to many of his aqaintances for thier wives, who loved them. They were small, lightweight, and very easy to conceal. He knew of at least two occasions they were used to stop an assault.

Guns are a whole different matter.
 
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Mmm, warthog.

This is an interesting discussion. I think there may be something to what you are saying, as a hypothesis of course; not sure how to test the hypothesis ("weapon selection can be genetic"). It is very interesting though, and while I agree with hso that training makes any genetic difference somewhat irrelevant (broadly speaking, between men and women) I will remain neutral and see what others say.
 
Yep, I forgot this was about non firearms...

Women still can arm themselves effectively...it's all a matter of the woman in particular. Some women are more physical than other women.

Heck, I remember a kid, hearing about some woman killing her abusive husband with his own compound bow and hunting arrows. When a fight or flight moment takes hold...women can be just as brutal, if not more so than us men.
 
I will say this. There is a lot of societal encouragement for boys to "stand up for themselves," and for girls the encouragement is often to "not hurt anyone's feelings." Polite to a fault, women usually are.
 
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