A Revolver for Business Casual in a Business Caliber

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What the prices for these revolvers in your area?

I've been haggling with gun broker and find a NIB Ruger Sp101 for 358 dollars + 18 for shipping... and another 25 for FFL transfer... grr. It ends up being about 20 dollars less than buying it at the local dealer.

I can't seem to find any J-frames at the MOMENT.

Still looking for 642s with no lock.
 
642s are easy to find here in the Salt Lake City area, if you're willing to accept the presence of "the lock".
I've seen 5 of them in just the past week at three different stores in this area (Doug's, Barlow's, Sportsman's Warehouse), and there are dozens of them for sale on auction sites, eg, www.auctionarms.com, though admittedly you're buying a pig in a poke when you get any gun via the internet.

I find "the lock" unsightly and philosophically distasteful, and prefer "pre-lock" S&Ws, though I currently do own a couple of 340PD Smiths with "the lock", and have had no functional problems with them, in spite of shooting hundreds of rounds of factory premium .357 Magnum 125gr+P JHP in these little scandium alloy-framed pistols, so I doubt the veracity of posts about spontaneous lock activation. JMNSHO, etc.
 
rageofangels said:
What the prices for these revolvers in your area?
I bought my S&W 642 NIB a few months ago at Olde English Outfitters just north of Dayton (not toooo much of a trek for you). They had the best price in the area at $349.

rageofangels said:
Still looking for 642s with no lock.
If you find a no-lock 642, make sure it's +P rated (unless that doesn't matter to you for some reason).
 
MeanStreaker said:
I bought my S&W 642 NIB a few months ago at Olde English Outfitters just north of Dayton (not toooo much of a trek for you). They had the best price in the area at $349.


If you find a no-lock 642, make sure it's +P rated (unless that doesn't matter to you for some reason).

I'm googling their phone number right now.
 
rageofangels said:
I'm googling their phone number right now.

I've spent more than one paycheck at Olde English. You may also want to try Loveland Shooter Supply. I've found them to typically be the lowest price around. You can find them at the Dayton Gun Show at Hara Arena, just happens to be one this weekend.
 
"Israeli carry"

"Israeli carry" refers to carrying a holstered semi-auto pistol with no round in the chamber and a full magazine, just like "condition 3." The Israelis teach a rapid draw, slide rack, and fire procedure which purportedly can be very effective for those who dislike carrying with a round in the chamber, for whatever reason.
 
"Israeli carry" refers to carrying a holstered semi-auto pistol with no round in the chamber and a full magazine, just like "condition 3." The Israelis teach a rapid draw, slide rack, and fire procedure which purportedly can be very effective for those who dislike carrying with a round in the chamber, for whatever reason.

That's how I carry my glock.
 
Lots of folks touting the 642, and I won't knock them 'cause I've never shot one.

But the 642 looks a lot like my 442 on S&W's website.

And I love my 442 for pocket carry. It rides in an Uncle Mike's nylon holster that helps it stay still in my pocket, and grasping the butt of the gun and drawing leaves the holster in the pocket.

I usually carry two Safariland speedloaders in my other pocket. I prefer the Safariland because you just push them into the cylinder. One less movement then the HK speedloaders with their push and twist.

I don't feel undergunned with 15 rounds of .38 Spl Hydra-Shoks...
 
Perfect CCW

I carry what I believe to be the best all around concealed carry revolver for personal protection made today: A Smith & Wesson model 340PD with HIVIZ sights and Crimson Trace model LG-205 laser grips. Here's why in my opinion this is an excellent choice for carry:

It's a revolver. A revolver never "stovepipes". Reliable, reliable, reliable. I know I'll probably never hear the end of it from the "Auto" crowd, but even after sitting loaded in a bedside drawer for decades, a revolver is going to work when you need it. Honestly, I'd love to carry a really pretty stainless steel Colt .45 Auto or similar piece with a skeleton trigger, rosewood grips, and all the other bells and whistles. But "flashy" stainless handguns draw attention to themselves. Were talking about CONCEALED carry here, so get the 340 with the "PD" designation. It's dark, so it's more easily concealed.

I believe the LIGHTER the revolver, the more likely it is to be CARRIED...which means it's there when you need it. The S&W-340 has a Scandium alloy frame with a Titanium cylinder and weighs in at only 12 ounces. Hunters say they never feel kick when shooting at actual game. I'll bet you won't feel any kick when you're shooting to protect your life, either. Use Federal .357 Magnum 125 grain jacketed hollowpoint loads for carry & for practice. Use .38 +P's for when over-penetration is a concern (like in apartment buildings). Never use ball ammo. This firearm is made for one thing, and plinking is not it. The 340 will have serious recoil, but deliver serious knock-down power out of a light package when it counts the most. Learn to deal with the recoil. Practice enough to keep yourself proficient...no plinking unless you enjoy hand pain.

The 340 series is a "pocket friendly" double-action-only (DAO) revolver: It has no exposed hammer spur to catch on clothing when retrieval time is important. All of the potentially sharp edges have been rounded off for the same reason. The particular model of Crimson Trace laser grips (LG-205) is important, too. These are the shorter, hard polymer grips which have less "printing" than their larger counterpart and will slide easily out of the lining of your pocket. The "stickier" wrap-around model of grips will do just that...stick to the inside of your pocket while it wraps your pocket liner around itself.

Finally, bullet placement beats capacity every time! The 340 is a five-shot snubby. That's why the laser grips are installed. Some folks call laser grips "cheating". Normally, I would call laser grips at the very least "training wheels", or "crutches" which do nothing to develop, and perhaps even diminish a shooter's marksmanship. But, once again, this firearm is made for one thing, and developing marksmanship is not it. I say take every advantage at your disposal to make sure bullet placement is accurate when it counts the most. Laser grips do just that. I think it's well worth the extra couple of hundred dollars investment to have that kind of built-in, innate, what-you-see-is-what-you-get accuracy. In bright sunlight seeing the red laser can be a problem, which is when the contrasting green HIVIZ front sight really "shines". Practice enough in daylight to be very familiar with the HIVIZ sight picture. Regarding capacity -- if you find yourself in a situation where you legitimately need 15+ rounds of ammunition, I think you need to reconsider the places you visit and the company you keep. This is not to say that high capacity is of no legitimate concern, but your needs are well beyond the scope of the "personal protection" realm.

Happy Carrying!
 

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Stellar advice, sir. I would like to get one of these in the future. For now, I opted for getting a Ruger SP101 DAO. And now, to play the waiting game...
 
I like 3" barrel J frames and like the 3" SP101 in particular in .357 mag. It gives the mag more of its potential ballistically and is easier to shoot than a 2" gun with shorter sight radius. However, a 3" gun is not a pocket gun. If pocket carry is a concern, or even ankle carry, I'd go with the 2". You get a little more out of most magnum loads, 2" specialty loads or not, than with a .38, but I'm not too sure the price you pay is worth it until that barrel is 3" or longer. I think if I HAD a 2" .357, I'd shoot .38s in it. The flash/bang is a lot less and rapidity of reacquiring the sights is better.

All just my opinions, though.
 
Jhouse67: Welcome to the forum..

Question on the Crimson Trace for the J-frame Smith: Is the LG 205 model grip/laser the same width or general size as the stock combat boot grips that come standard? Looking at the size of the LG 305 grips, I can see a possible problem with pocket carry with those but not the LG205.

Thanks for your incisive contribution...:D
 
Rageofangels: why don't you just go ahead and buy the gun at your local gun shop? It doesn't seem to be that much more expensive. Plus, you help your local store stick around. The bonus of being able to hold, handle and get a feel for the one you want has to be worth something...
 
Two questions:

What is your recoil tolerance?

How much stopping potential do you want per shot?

Since you can shoot more than once, I personally don't get to hung up on number two.

If you can answer those two questions, I might have some helpful suggestions since I've been experimenting with coat pocket carry with various guns, and some pants pocket carry.

P.S. - I own an SP101 and you ain't carrying it in no pocket my friend. It does fit my coat pocket (XL jackets), but makes it sag like everything. The SP101 is a really nice gun, but it's no pocket gun my friend. I'm looking for a holster for my SP101, probably from http://www.smartcarry.com

As for coat pocket guns, I've got several good suggestions with some potency, but first need the answers to the questions above.

As for pants pocket guns, I even have a couple good suggestions for that offer some potency, but you'd need some recoil tolerance to shoot them.

Thanks
 
I have never been much on pocket carry but the Taurus 605 is an excellent choice. I carry mine in the truck so that I always have one with me, especially for the days I can't carry all day(work). I carry 38slpc+p in mine. I can't put enough 357 rounds through it to feel comfortable.(recoil with 357 ouch).

Depending on the clothes you have to wear have you tried paddle holsters yet. Very comfortable, easy on and off, and easy to conceal under most clothes. I have gone to paddles and a 3" K frame 357 over most of my autos.125 grain Magnums very comfortable to shoot all day. IWB is another choice. I normally carry my Glocks at 4 o'clock in a Galco SCOUT CLIP ON INSIDE PANT HOLSTER. http://www.usgalco.com/HolsterG3.asp?ProductID=923&GunID=48 Slip it in the pants and clip to the belt. I understand you concern about carrying a chamber round in the glock, but that is the only way I have carried mine for 12 years. Best thing about a Glock is the trigger, Worst thing about a Glock is the trigger.

Just my .02 on other options and you can't go wrong with any of the other choices everyone has given.
 
22luvr: Crimson Trace Answer

Thanks for the welcome to the THR community.

I believe ALL of the dimensions of the Crimson Trace LG-205's are doggone close to the same as the stock grips on the S&W-340. I will check tonight and post a reply only if there IS much difference at all. I do want to note, however, that when I holster carry, I use the SafariLand model offered by S&W (see photo). It's expensive, but I truely love this holster and the way it carries my piece (closeness to body, ride height, adjustable cant, etc). It's sort of a hard-sided leather-wrapped-polymer clamshell design. Because it's hard-sided, when it's used with a 340 having the LG-205 grips installed, the hard side of the holster ends up "clinching" the revolver on the area of the laser grip which is built-up to house the laser itself (see photo 2). Thus far I find that it retains the revolver very well, despite this variance of where the holster makes contact with the revolver. It does not seem to affect the laser housing either. This seems to be a moot point with the couple of soft-side holsters I have used on occasion (like Uncle Mike's, etc).

Regarding the Crimson Trace model LG-305's: I believe they have the "stickiness" which can be a problem with pocket carry. And I believe they are a little longer to allow some more pinky-finger on the grip. I consider this to be a problem with CCW because that little bit of extra grip seems to end up taking a lot of extra room in a front pocket. Nonetheless, the LG-305's ARE the grips installed if your order your S&W that way straight from the factory. The LG-305's also offer a master on/off switch that some may prefer. The LG-205's do not have a master switch, but I have never had a problem of the laser staying on when I don't want it on.
 

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