A Round With 3,250 fps Muzzle Velocity, And Weighing 6,096 grains?

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I have always been fascinated by weapons of all kinds, and especially guns, and the ammunition that guns use. I can spend hours reading about the ballistics of various calibers, the muzzle velocity of various rounds, the amount of energy expended by various sizes and weights of projectiles, etc. etc. etc. I have probably spent more time in the last year or two reading up on these things than I ever have before, even though until fairly recently I haven't even owned a gun for a few years.

Also being quite interested in military aircraft and the weapons used on them, I just recently noticed a news article telling that the A-10 Warthog close air support plane is to be used again in the middle east. I've studied the A-10 ever since it was first brought into the USAF inventory, but when I read this article, I got to thinking about the huge 30mm, GAU-8 Avenger canon that the A-10 uses, and this caused me to look up the GAU-8 on Wiki and re-study it a bit more.

Now, after the last few months of intensively studying the 9X19 round and the .40 S&W in order to make an informed buying decision, (and being somewhat familiar with the muzzle velocities of hand gun and rifle calibers ), here I am reading about a projectile which weighs 14 oz. (or 6,096 grains ), that has a muzzle velocity of 3,250 fps, (with a 3,900 rounds per min firing rate ), and having a recoil force of 10,000 lbs.! (Which as it turns out, is just slightly more "force" than one of the A-10 Warthog's two TF-34 jet engines! )

My question is.......how much energy would be expended by a round of this mass that's mostly depleted uranium, and one that has in excess of 3,200 fps of muzzle velocity? The link provided will take you directly to a very good discussion of this awesome weapon on Wiki if you'd like to read about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAU-8_Avenger

Charley C
 
energy

Using the Energy Calculator at Handloads.com, I came up with a muzzle energy of 142,948 ft.lbs. (using a 6096 gr. projectile at 3250fps. Bore 30mm/1.18 inches)
Pete
 
I had occasion to watch the A-10 put some rounds down range up at Ethan Allen Firing Range back when I was in the Army Guard. It truly is a sight to behold. Now I'm in the Air Guard in a C-130 unit and they won't let us put a GAU 8/A on any of our Hercs. For a former A-10 base I'm sorely disappointed.

Wouldn't that be cool, though? ;) Mount one on a couple of 463L pallets, then when a Flanker unexpectedly shows up, you drop the ramp, roll the gun to the end, and blast 'em.

Now I just have to figure out a rig that will give it several degrees of T&E for the gunner to work with.
 
You need all the nifty accessories for your GAU-8. The most popular one is the "A-10 Thunderbolt II" transport platform...
 
Using the Energy Calculator at Handloads.com, I came up with a muzzle energy of 142,948 ft.lbs. (using a 6096 gr. projectile at 3250fps. Bore 30mm/1.18 inches)
Pete
Ought to be enough for deer.
 
Hell---that would gut em, skin em, and and break the deer down into bite size pieces for you. And they would probably be cooked already.
 
The 30 mm was adopted by the USAF first. They wanted a gun to defeat Soviet tanks. After they bought the gun the proposal went out to build an aircraft around it. That's where the A 10 came from.
 
Devonai said:
I had occasion to watch the A-10 put some rounds down range up at Ethan Allen Firing Range back when I was in the Army Guard.

I was stationed there as well. Could hear when they were test firing on nearly any part of the range. Sounds like the world's largest and angriest beehive going through a fan.
 
Heck, I just miss hearing those TF-34s on a regular basis. I was at Bradley for a few months before we transitioned to the C-21A. Thank God we have some Hercs now, and a better mission than shuffling VIPs around.
 
I agree with Pete's calculation. More than 193 kJ of energy is quite a punch, no matter what the target is - a tank, a truck, or a poor elk. Well, no one will use such a monstrous gun to shot a lovely little deer, right?;)
 
The 30 mm was adopted by the USAF first. They wanted a gun to defeat Soviet tanks. After they bought the gun the proposal went out to build an aircraft around it. That's where the A 10 came from.

Yes, the firing barrel of the cannon is on the centerline of the aircraft. The nose gear is mounted off center because the cannon is otherwise in the way.

The A-10 is an impressive aircraft.
 
What I wouldn't give to see the effects of that round in person. I've long heard about how firing the gun actually slows the aircraft down significantly.
 
sawdeanz said:
What I wouldn't give to see the effects of that round in person. I've long heard about how firing the gun actually slows the aircraft down significantly.

There was a JTAC (USAF ground controller) attached to my unit who loved watching the A-10. Whenever he requested air support for us, he would try to get the A-10 out. Never saw it perform unfortunately. We usually got a B1-B on station so it was still pretty awesome.
 
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The A-10 was built by Fairchild and I believe Fairchild is the same company that the Armalite M16 came from? Anyone know if this is correct?
You are right, Lycidas. The ArmaLite Corporation was founded in 1954 as a subdivision of Fairchild Engine and Airplane Corporation. But that company ceased operations in the early 1980s. The ArmaLite Inc. now is just another one founded in 1996.
 
The 30 mm on an A10 may have a shaped charge AP round available but it was designed to use a depleted uranium round. These rounds punch their way through enemy armor, no shaped charge needed.

The A10 was the first aircraft designed solely for the ground support mission. IIRC there were two A10 jocks that destroyed a bunch of Iraqi armor in Gulf War I. The only reason they had to stop is they ran out of ammo.
 
Now I have a more...practical question.

What sort of propellant is used in the cases? Ultra slow, ultra fast? I'm guessing it's not 4895.
 
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