a sexy Israeli Kareen mk1, ® Browning Hi Power

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Hiya Guys, since I'm new here I thought I'd start things off by sharing my latest acquisition that I picked up over the weekend. I'm a sa/da w/ a decocker kind of a guy, and I've been carrying a Sig 2022 .40, but I let it go and jumped at the chance to pick up something I've always wanted butt never could afford or find one.

I've heard about the Browning hi-power for a long long time but I've never had the pleasure of seeing one in person let alone being able to fondle one. Well, that was then and this is now because I recently had this gem fall in my lap. This is a somewhat rare Israeli Kareen mk1 built on FEG parts n Israel. This is an early letter "A" designation with a four digit matching serial numbers on the barrel slide and frame , ie: AA 1234.

This is also an exact clone of the early 70's Hi-Power design.
On the left side of the frame just above the trigger a little to the left of the trigger hinge pin is the licensed trademark logo that confirms all the factory Browning hi-power parts will work with this. On the right side of the frame just above and a little to the left of the trigger hinge pin is the oval cross bolt footprint which verifies that this has John Moses Browning linkless Barrel design. It seems that on the later model letter "G" designated serial numberb varients they also used the Smith & Wesson rotating Barrel design as well.

This Hi-Power was imported from Israel A&A Ltd. by J. O. Arm Houston, TX back in the mid 80's before the company went defunct not long after that. This was purchased back in the day by my friends Grandpa after which he took it home and parked it in his gun safe and it pretty much stayed there ever since. He eventually inherited it but it wasn't his cup of tea and rather than keeping it in the family he traded it to me.

It's in very nice shape , the Finish is beautiful and the action is smooth as butter with a nice trigger. These also have a magazine lockout as well,, so even if the hammer is cocked it won't fire without a mag in the well. As far as the trigger ons pretty nice. From the middle of the trigger there's about an 1/8 of an inch of take up before you're on the sear, then a slight squeeze and the trigger breaks. I'd guess it's probably about 4 lbs. As far as I'm concerned you really can't get much better with a trigger like this, then again maybe it's had some work done to it, idk. I've heard if you disable the magazine lockout the triggers and actions get even better.

For all intents and purposes, it's basically everything that's good and wholesome about the 1911 with John Browning's refinements and improvements he made when he designed this before he died, White no pain in the butt Barrel bushing to screw with just a break it down for cleaning. The closest comparison that I can make is it breaks down just like a Sig Sauer P226 or SP2022. It also has the linkless barrel design which eliminated The Swinging link that the 1911 has, and since it's 9mm it also has 14 round magazines. Soul Eater model high power variants came out with 10 round magazines but there are aftermarket 13 and 15 rounders available as well. This one takes factory steel 14 rd hi power mags & it came with 3 of them.

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Very nice; you did really well with your Israeli Hi-Power. Don't know what you traded with your friend but I think you came out ahead with this particular deal. Now you have to make up for that lost time it spent in the gun safe and get a shootin'! Let us know how it does at the range.
 
Nice! I have had one of the Hungarian FEG ones since the late 1980's. It still shoots great. Yours should serve you well.
 
It seems that on the later model letter "G" designated serial numberb varients they also used the Smith & Wesson rotating Barrel design as well.
What does this mean? Who is "they" and which S&W design are you talking about?
 
gsbuickman

Very nice; you did really well with your Israeli Hi-Power. Don't know what you traded with your friend but I think you came out ahead with this particular deal. Now you have to make up for that lost time it spent in the gun safe and get a shootin'! Let us know how it does at the range.

Thanks Guys, much appreciated. I'm primarily a sa/da w/ a decocker kind of guy, but I traded my Sig Sauer sp2022 in .40 for this beauty. this was purchased by a friends Grandpa after it was imported in the mid 80's, after which he parked it in his gun safe and it pretty much sat there untouched ever since. he ended up inheriting it and rather than keeping it in the family he put it up for trade for something more modern. he first offered to trade it for another 2022 in the dark Earth color but the guy turned it down so I jumped on it and he was happy to oblige.

IMO it's probably a 9 outta 10 condition wise & the barrel is purdy w/ little to no use apparent. Surprisingly it had a really nice trigger but I didn't like the magazine disconnect so I performed some minor surgery and took that out as well. Now the magazines drop free as they should rather than needing to pull them out with a fingernail. I haven't had the trigger pull measured yet, but I'm guessing it's right around 3 - 4 lbs. From the center of the trigger there's an 1/8" of take up (creep) , then a real light kiss and the hammer drops. Idk if it originally came this way or if the old coot did some work to it but it's nice although I think it might be a little too light.
 
This came with 100 rds of Federal jhp that I traded him round for round with. 40 hp's on, but I didn't have any other 9mm on hand. I cashed in 350 rds of. 40 I had, and I couldn't decide what I wanted to start with besides the Federal so I just got home with 400 rds of 9mm in a variety of flavors. Before I start shooting this I want to stock away 1000 rounds of ammo for it in my ammo can first, and I'm well on my way.

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I have a High Power and it's really a nice pistol. I wish you luck with yours although
by the looks of it. You won't need any luck.

Zeke
 
Thanks FegR9.jpg FegR9r.jpg , when a friend gets off work today he's going to stop by so I can check out his FEG Hungarian R9 hi power clone. the funny thing about this one is that it's a sa /da w/ a decocker like I prefer. I don't know if my extra magazines will work with it and I'm not sure if I'll like it better than the single action Hi Power I have now, but I guess I'll find out later. it looks just like this one only in better condition.
 
The FEG R9 is not a Hi Power clone -- it has little in common with the Hi Power.. It's much closer in design (internal mechanism) and functionality to a 2nd or 3rd Gen S&W than a HP. It just LOOKS a little like a HP.
 
This is also an exact clone of the early 70's Hi-Power design.
On the left side of the frame just above the trigger a little to the left of the trigger hinge pin is the licensed trademark logo that confirms all the factory Browning hi-power parts will work with this.
Huh?
Whose "licensed trademark logo"?:scrutiny:
FN/Browning never licensed FEG or the Israelis to manufacture Hi Powers.
 
The R-9 is actually a copy of the Mauser Model 90.
It may look like a Browning / FN HP, but it's not.
The HP and R-9 mags don't fit each other, either.
Mauser imported FEGs and had them marked "Mauser", not the other way around. Mauser didn't develop this pistol.
 
The R-9 is actually a copy of the Mauser Model 90.
It may look like a Browning / FN HP, but it's not.
The HP and R-9 mags don't fit each other, either.

thanks for the heads up that just confirms everything else I've read about them. a lot of guys also say the operating system in the R9 is a copy of the Smith & Wesson model 59
 
well I got a Hands-On look at that Hungarian R9, that's a pretty damn nice pistol. it had about 40 acres of Travel Inn the trigger and probably a 10-12 lb pull, but it was real smooth all the way through. it didn't hang up, it wasn't pretty and there were no hesitation points in it. the magazines for my Israeli Kareen hi power did in fact hit the R9, but it wouldn't load the shells. it turns out the R9 magazines were 1/8" or so taller, Sobe Israeli magazines were Just a Touch Too Short otherwise they would have worked fine.
 
Well, it's overcast cool and blustery here in the valley so the lighting isn't the best and the pictures really don't do it justice, but I've been working this thing over with some Turtle Wax chrome & metal Polish, and now almost every surface on this thing is shining like a mirror. She really is purdy :) .

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Thanks, I'm really not a fan of single action but it's starting to grow on me :eek:
 
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