A story today from range.

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It was fairly warm today, forecasted to be in the '90s and typical humidity for Arkansas. Fortunately, the Game and Fish commision range at Mayflower has covered benches and an air-conditioned range office, complete with running water and working (fairly) clean toilets.

I was at the end of the pistol range farthest away from the range office, positioned next to the gentleman who brings out his S&W autoloaders for a day of tidy groups. He even has the rare S&W autoloader chambered for .38 Special. Always a pleasure to chat with him and watch him shoot.

Looking past him towards the range office, I see one of the men who was earlier firing a Ruger .22 pistol at 25 yard targets. The man, whose name I learned later was Dave Stewart, was leaning against the wall with one hand, his other hand on his knee. He appeared to half lie down and half fall to his side on the ground. I cleared my guns and hurried over to him, since no one else appeared to immediately notice. Most of us are focused on our targets and our guns when we're at the range.

He was in some distress but it was hard to tell much other than he said he felt like vomiting and was very dizzy. He didn't report pain or difficulty breathing, but he obviously needed help. The RO had seen me running and was outside by this time, so I told him to call 9-1-1. Fire department personnel were the first responders, very quickly there. EMS arrived in another 10-15 minutes.

Mr Stewart refused to be taken to the hospital, or even to be examined closely. The RO said Mr Stewart was former military, but Mr Stewart said he had no health insurance. He said he only wanted to get in his bed and lie down. They called his mother, who he lived with nearby and who came and picked him up. If I had to guess, I'd put Stewart in his 60s. I wouldn't know how old his mother is since I don't guess a woman's age anymore; I've played with enough fire in my life.

Stewart's dizziness did not seem to relent, and he was sick at least two more times after he fell. But he stubbornly refused to accept medical treatment or examination.

The RO said that Mr Stewart had been coming to that range for many years. He was apparently on a fixed income, and shooting his .22s was one of his sources of enjoyment. Right before they helped him to his mother's vehicle, I grasped his shoulder and told him next time I saw him out there I hoped he was shooting standing and not prone. He thanked me and I left.

Many of the older, retired guys around here seem to know each other, so I thought I'd share this in case any of you know Dave Stewart and want to prod him to see a doctor. Also to prod some of you stubborn old codgers to take care of yourselves. I much prefer reading your angry diatribes here to reading your obituaries elsewhere.

jm
 
You know my father-in-law had some similiar symptoms over the past 3-4 weeks. Luckily he is able to get treated at the VA hospital. After some tests they figured out he was have some type of stroke and immediately put him on meds.
 
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Mr. Stewart can get the care he needs VA or not, insurance or not, money or not. For his own sake I hope he gets medical help.
 
It actually sounds like the heat may have gotten to him. Wondering if he was on heart meds and hydrated. It sounds like heat stroke which can be deadly. I wish he would have gone directly to the ER. Just to make sure it was not something more that was going on.
I am glad there are people like you that at least went to his aid.
Hope he is doing fine.
 
azmtnbikerxdm, he said he wasn't on meds or that he'd had heart trouble. I don't know how much he was keeping from everyone there, though.

jm
 
I've known older guys like that; very stubborn, not wanting to burden anybody. Quite honestly, it's a burden in itself if you give a hoot about the person. I'm sure you'd like to invite him to try your guns, take a slug of your water so he doesn't overheat, etc., but there's only so much they'll let you do for them. Often times, that starts and stops at telling somebody to call 911 while the older fella is incapacitated enough to be unable to keep them from doing so.

Good work. I hope you see him out there again ASAP.
 
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I'll bet heat, heart attack or a combination thereof.

$100 bucks says he needed to go to the ER and while there they'd find the root of the problem and then some...
 
I'm in the 'heat-related injury' camp. Range time should always include a pint of water per hour, minimum, and more if you're moving around a fair bit.

Hope all ends well.
 
im for mild heart attack. My grandpa had two of them with me watching and the simptoms were the same. But then again we don't have that humid heat that some places do. We get 105 degree dry heat.
 
Arkansas tend to be stubborn with medicals.

An ambulance starts at 500, Heart attack billing runs about 12K to 30K for full bore. A stress test runs 2K and a few specialized tests cost 3K each.

I was one of those people who had heart problems. My doctor and 5K later traced it to a specific problem with a valve. I was told to enjoy life, eat a certain way and come back to see him in 30 years.

My spouse? If she dropped, she is DNR. No matter what happens or why, I must enforce the DNR on spouse against any responder or doctor. That is her wish. (Cancer survivor for me one time... will not go through that ever again)

If I drop, Im going to go doing something I enjoy. The billing can take care of itself.

No. Im happy that we take care and watch for our neighbors. At the time I write this, two of our neighbors are bankrupt and are sick bad. I/we keep and eye on them during the long hot summers that are - afixing to come and heat them up as they struggle to maintain thier once pretty property.

Some of us Arkansas folks are strange sometimes. No docs, no hospitals no nothing. Just life, live each day and help others. Too expensive to be having all of that medical stuff. Especially without insurance.

We did not have insurance for years and during that time I told wife that if anything happened to me, make sure they put me in my bed and let it be. Whatever shall be will be. One thing WONT be is excessive medical billing.

Insurance for worker starts at 100 and family or spouse starts at 350. I know of one who is paying 1200 a month on wife until she hits 65 birthday so uncle sam can take over with medicare which will only give 3K worth of 80/20 before quitting for the next 5K in bills.

Back home in Maryland, a friend spent a week in trauma after stabbing, his total bill was 98,000 dollars. After telling Maryland that he was nothing except a minimum wage worker, they wrote off all but a thousand dollars.

When shooting at our range, we keep an eye on everyone with us because at any time one may show medical problems for whatever reason. Heck, just being in there with the fans off is enough to induce lead issues sometimes.

Keep in mind that the medical system is nice for those that can or will afford it. The rest of us just choose to wake up each morning, give thanks to the Lord for a new day and live. What will be shall be. No worries or regrets.

Cheers.

Why do I have a cheerful attitude and willing to help others? Well in trucking my own life was forfeit a few times and Im still here. Not all 9 lives are used yet ya know. And maybe saved a few along the way. That makes me happy more than anything. And I remember the few that we could not save. Oh well.


I feel sorry for those who accumulate great wealth and hang on tightly with both fists because they cannot take anything with them when it's time. When it's TIME,.... it's time.
 
I received a itemized list for a injury back in 85. I was charged $10 for a cotton ball.

I looked across the desk at this clerky person, and asked if I could just bring in 300 sterile cotton balls to pay them off.

The medical system in this country is akin to piracy.
 
Not an EMT but symptoms could be Heart Attack or Stroke. Time lost is brain lost with stroke. Be careful and remember Denial Kills. www.americanheart.org

Bet the EMS was very glad it wasn't an accidental/negligent shooting when they arrived at the range.
 
It could be a combination of reasons.

When I was doing clinic duty there was this older gentleman that would come in fairly regular for blood pressure testing which was free. Although his pressure was moderately high and he had a family history of heart disease he refused any scripts or treatment. His reasoning was that he didn't want to be dependent on medication.
 
I was working a tanker load one day a long time ago, a man went into the machine shop across the bay walking normally. After a time he was supposed to come out and check the loading. Just when I was about to abandon my post, he came out on hands and knees acting like he was carrying 1000 pounds on his back and barely made the 18 feet to the main area where there were people. My problem was I had to stay at my post and maintain the pressure despite having been certified to CPR heart attacks.

I stayed where I was to keep the entire plant on line. I relied on other people to help him. To this day I dont know if he made it or not. If I had blown down the tanker and aborted the loading, the contents would have blasted the man trying to crawl to the main building anyway.

Once in a while you get handed a deck of cards and can only hope that others can save him.

We bring a trauma blow out kit bag to the range with us, never know with the recent.... events when someone might need it and fast.

This was a good morning to go shooting, now we dig in and offline against bow storms with possibility of tornados. It's springtime in Arkansas as normal.

Cheers.
 
If the man in question is a veteran discharged with anything other than a less than honorable discharge, served as an enlisted man prior to 1980 or as an officer prior to 1981 and served for 181 days or more he is eligible for VA health care. It may cost him a small co-pay if his income exceeds federal guidelines. Have him call the VA at Central Arkansas Veterans Healthcare System metro Little Rock area: (501) 257-5655. If he is outside of the Central Arkansas Veterans Healthcare System calling area: Toll-free 1-800-224-8387. Have him ask for eligibility information.
 
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I'm afraid I have bad news. I was at the range again today when Mr Stewart's mother called to let the office know he'd passed away. It apparently happened today, and was due to a brain aneurysm. I don't know more than that at this time.

A couple of the guys who shot with him occasionally were there when we all heard. One person remembered that Stewart was one of the few people who could master the recoil of the stoutest handguns they had without developing a flinch.

jm
 
If You're In Contact With His Family...

Please convey my condolences, and let them know they're in my prayers. As an older hillbilly, I understand the independent attitude this man displayed, many of us are just like that, we don't ask anyone for anything, if we can't get it on our own. Yup, stubborn old cusses maybe, we don't want to be a burden to anyone.

Maybe I got it even worse because I'm a trucker, we as a group tend to be damned independent as well. I'd have liked to known Mr. Stewart, I think we'd have understood each other quite well.
 
Sure hope he is ok, the heart attacks will sneak up on you, I know. I have had 6 in the last few years but had bypass and doing great now....for 71 years young. The dam@ illegals can get all the medical they want for free here in Florida.
 
Stickhauler, sunny side up to you and coops closed all the way through the day to ya.

There be tornados at Ft Smith on 40 tonight and more towards Cape G on 55 and lots in between forming up in Arky tonight. Keep your family safe, prayers to all.

Another thing why I am stubborn about living and dying right where I am is ... the wife knows what to do, funeral home already paid off with a folder of exact instructions and there is no need to run up a dramatic stack of last minute medical billing for nothing. A MRI can cost 12K not including techs. I have had two last year and all covered by insurance.

There will not be any more. Not if I want the wife to keep the home free and clear.

Ive had my run, Im glad in a way that Mr Stewart went out doing what activity he WANTS to do while HAVING FUN.... I think it's the best way to go. Not like some of the clients I have witnessed or... some of the casulties on that big road.

Prayers to all once again.
 
sounds like heat stroke to me

when you get older your body gets dehydrated more easily

i got heat stroke one time when i was about 14, we were at bsa summer camp and i was tired, hot, and a bit sick to my stomach, i kept thinking well ill just get back to camp and take a nap. a hlaf hour later i passed out on a trail 30 ft from my tent. my buddys rushed me into a tent and cooled me down while someone ran and got the doc


they called in ems and they hooked me up to an i.v., and hour later i was leaving the er. they told me i just had heat stroke and to be more careful

after thet there was a rule made at camp that everyone must have atleast one drink per merit badge class roughly 3 cups of water in the am then lunch then 3 more then dinner

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im so sorry, the good always go young, 60's isnt very old to be passing away.

guys be careful, we are involved in a semi dangerous activity but me must think about warning signs of something more serious while were out there.

my dad had a problem with his bp a few years ago, he was having spontanious nose bleeds 4-5 times a week. we finally got him to go to the ER and his bp was 218 over something. the doc said that his nose was a pressure relief valve for him and if it hadnt been for that he would have had either a stroke or a heart attack.

please be careful guys ive already had one friend die this year and i really down want another, i think of all of you as my friends, many of you have taught me things on here and i hoep will teach me more
 
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