A Taylor Firearms 1887 Bootleg 12 Guage with Case Hardening
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ClickClickD'oh
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There will be some pretty serious opinions coming shortly about the use of a PGO as a serious weapon. Most of them decidedly negative.
oneounceload
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And for good reason........
; although that grip isn't as painful as the Mossberg, it still is a fun range toy, but that's my opinion, YMMV.
; although that grip isn't as painful as the Mossberg, it still is a fun range toy, but that's my opinion, YMMV.
rbernie
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I bet the manual of arms is quite awkward for a PGO levergun, having lost the supporting function of the buttstock (being pressed against the shoulder and all that) while the strong hand cycles the lever.
Coyote3855
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If you're hot for a lever action shotgun, you would be better off, IMHO, to get the full stock version for the reasons mentioned by other posters. I saw a few of these replicas in Cowboy Action Shooting. They often needed the attention of gunsmith to run with the big dogs at matches. I wouldn't want one for home defense.
This link leads to an interesting and entertaining video on the "Bootleg."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWX9_lWUPI
USAF_Vet
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Makes we want to hop on the Harley and drive down the LA River while being chased my a silver guy in a semi truck.
Corpral_Agarn
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Was thinking the same
If you like the lever shotgun, you should get one.
I think that one with a stock would be a better choice for every application, but hey! you can always get both.
If you are looking to justify your purchase because it would double as a home defense gun, I don't think you will find too much help... it is COOL, though.
Arkansas Paul
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Shotguns require aiming just like any other firearm. The shot does not spread out across the width of a bedroom.
Are you going to pick that one up to eye level and sight down the barrel?
Like MEHavey said, there is a reason police and military use a full stocked shotgun. Because accuracy is important, moreso in your home than anywhere else.
I'm not saying that it isn't cool. It's not my cup of tea but I can certainly see where folks would like it. But take it to the range and have fun with it. Don't dedicate it as your HD weapon.
Are you going to pick that one up to eye level and sight down the barrel?
Like MEHavey said, there is a reason police and military use a full stocked shotgun. Because accuracy is important, moreso in your home than anywhere else.
I'm not saying that it isn't cool. It's not my cup of tea but I can certainly see where folks would like it. But take it to the range and have fun with it. Don't dedicate it as your HD weapon.
USAF_Vet
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PGO is Pistol Grip Only.
Sunray
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A shotgun with no stock is the most useless thing on the planet. Makes no difference what action it has. Looks cool in Sci-Fi movies, but you have zero control in the real world.
200Apples
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I agree w/ Sunray.
Now, if you want to shoot that thing as a pistol... good luck, there, too. Looks like the grip angle'd be all wrong.
Lastly, what's the LOA / length overall? on that thing. Some states have a minimum LOA for long guns. Is this TF Bootleg sold as a handgun?
Curious, but not enough to look for their website. I too think PGO shotguns useless in the real world.
I agree w/ Sunray.
Now, if you want to shoot that thing as a pistol... good luck, there, too. Looks like the grip angle'd be all wrong.
Lastly, what's the LOA / length overall? on that thing. Some states have a minimum LOA for long guns. Is this TF Bootleg sold as a handgun?
Curious, but not enough to look for their website. I too think PGO shotguns useless in the real world.
200Apples
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I like hickok45 very much, but early in the vid he says, "18-inch barrel"... looks shorter from here. And he is using birdshot... not high-brass buck or slug (as one should be using in a defensive weapon), so any recoil effect we're seeing is pretty light.
I like hickok45 very much, but early in the vid he says, "18-inch barrel"... looks shorter from here. And he is using birdshot... not high-brass buck or slug (as one should be using in a defensive weapon), so any recoil effect we're seeing is pretty light.
CaptainChaos
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Not a PGO, but I find my Chiappa *great* fun to shoot:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy-26BV-LVE
Regards,
Mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy-26BV-LVE
Regards,
Mark.
Lets see,
Hickok45 used full power Winchester 1 ounce rifled slugs on the gong at 80 yards and on the metal silhouettes at 50 to 60 yards.
Also, Buckshot and slug loads are available in low recoil versions for those who prefer a lesser recoil impulse.
I believe that covers the issues raised.
200Apples
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I didn't watch the whole thing, obviously.
There's still the question of barrel length, though. If that was a standard, four-shot magazine, then that was a 14" barrel. The reduced length might mitigate some of the recoil.
Where's the dead horse emoticon? I guess it's not needed, after all. And he was actually aiming! the thing. That's why he's such a good shot. He uses whatever passes for sights on whatever arm he's shooting. Good ol' hickok.
I didn't watch the whole thing, obviously.
There's still the question of barrel length, though. If that was a standard, four-shot magazine, then that was a 14" barrel. The reduced length might mitigate some of the recoil.
Where's the dead horse emoticon? I guess it's not needed, after all. And he was actually aiming! the thing. That's why he's such a good shot. He uses whatever passes for sights on whatever arm he's shooting. Good ol' hickok.
Sheepdog1968
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The only thing I would add is how reliable is it? For any firearm that is my top priority. I simply don't this make and manufacturer to know the answer. I would prefer a proper stock model over a pistol grip all things being equal.
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I didn't watch the whole thing, obviously.
There's still the question of barrel length, though. If that was a standard, four-shot magazine, then that was a 14" barrel. The reduced length might mitigate some of the recoil.
Where's the dead horse emoticon? I guess it's not needed, after all. And he was actually aiming! the thing. That's why he's such a good shot. He uses whatever passes for sights on whatever arm he's shooting. Good ol' hickok.
The 500 and 88 series have 5 shot magazines - a bit longer than 4 rounders. This makes an 18 inch tube appear shorter.
"And he was actually aiming!"
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200Apples
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By posting another great hickok45 video, this one featuring a PGO shotgun that we see being used in a manner that most of us had previously said could not or should not be done, you have effectively dispelled the myth that PGOs are mostly useless.
Your quote of my exclamation "and he was actually aiming!" seems to ridicule me, however. Perhaps I misworded that. I only found it remarkable that he was holding the receiver so close to his face without the added support of a shouldered buttstock. Unless I'm attempting to swing on a clay bird, I do aim my shotguns.
Either way, you've done it. Turned the PGO-hate on it's ear. Congrats! I may borrow that link from time to time in the future if you're not around, and I'll credit you with bringing it to our attention.
Happy Thanksgiving, everyone.
By posting another great hickok45 video, this one featuring a PGO shotgun that we see being used in a manner that most of us had previously said could not or should not be done, you have effectively dispelled the myth that PGOs are mostly useless.
Your quote of my exclamation "and he was actually aiming!" seems to ridicule me, however. Perhaps I misworded that. I only found it remarkable that he was holding the receiver so close to his face without the added support of a shouldered buttstock. Unless I'm attempting to swing on a clay bird, I do aim my shotguns.
Either way, you've done it. Turned the PGO-hate on it's ear. Congrats! I may borrow that link from time to time in the future if you're not around, and I'll credit you with bringing it to our attention.
Happy Thanksgiving, everyone.
Good points. The video showed some hitches in it's get along.
I know someone who had problems with this company's .45-70 lever gun. The firm was less than stellar about making it right.
My social shotguns have stocks. I once owned one of the Mossberg convertibles. I shot it some with the pistol grip and ended up installing the shoulder stock. It's possible that I just wasn't willing to put in the range time to become proficient with the pistol grip.
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