Acquaintance on parole and CC

[IlikeSA]

Quick question for you, and I know you aren't lawyers, so think of this as a "what if" question.

I CC in my state (Georgia), and went out with a friend and her boyfriend. She informed him that I CC and asked me not to carry around him, as he is under parole for possession with intent to distribute (drugs). Normally I don't associate with people who are in that lifestyle, but it was her boyfriend and he invited himself along, and I didnt want to offend her. Are there any legal precidents I should look at and what would you do in that situation?

I disarmed begrudgingly because I respected my friend and dont get to see her often, but what are the laws pertaining to this? Once again, I am not asking for legal advice, just some pointing in the right direction and opinions on what you would do.

 

[kingpin008]

Legally, I can't imagine why you wouldn't be perfectly in the clear to carry - you're not the one who broke the law, and who knows how many parolee's and other former (or current) criminals we're surrounded by everyday. Are we supposed to poll everyone we meet and disarm ourselves accordingly?

And as far as the friend goes, I would have politely declined to disarm myself. It's not my problem that she associates with folks like that, so I'm not going to be penalized for it. You say you did so because you respect her, and that's admirable - but unfortunately, she doesn't seem to have the same respect for you. If she did, she would either have asked the boyfriend to leave, or not asked you to remove your pistol.

Did she give you a reason why she wanted you to disarm? If she already knows you carry, it seems unlikely that she was worried about you being able to do so in a safe and responsible manner, which leaves the boyfriend. And if she's worried about him doing something stupid..well, you might be better off keeping your distance until she rids herself of him.

 

[Frog48]

I CC in my state (Georgia), and went out with a friend and her boyfriend... he is under parole... I disarmed begrudgingly

Uh... that seems really counterintuitive. If I KNOW that I'm going to be around a convicted felon, I'd especially want to be able to defend myself.

For this same reason I think its ridiculous and dangerous that alot of probation and parole agencies do not arm their supervision officers... but thats a whole 'nother discussion.

 

[TexasRifleman]

I'm with Grant, if I was gonna be hanging out with convicted felons I would never disarm.

I would think it would be his problem, if any, not yours.

But, that said, if this girl was my friend I would likely tell her flat out that she should steer clear whether it hurt her feelings or not.

If she really likes the guy she should at least wait til his parole is finished. At that time you can say he's paid his debt to society, but not really until then.

 

[IlikeSA]

I still kept my little Gerber and big Applegate Fairburn on me. Yes, the Applegate is definitely not a "work" knife and we arent allowed to carry knives for the reason of offense or defense, but I wouldn't have let myself be stopped either.

I guess ya'll are right, maybe I should have raised a bigger stink on it. We were both getting tired of him hanging around anyway. I only get to see my friend about once or twice a year, as I live and work overseas and was back on vacation, and I was staying at her place while I got my visa processed. We are more like brother and sister and go back to middle school in knowing each other.

Anyway, she has since broken up with him because he was to clingy, but thats another story all together.

 

[ArmedBear]

Curiosity: Why would you inform her that you CC?

Concealed means concealed, IMO.

 

[rbernie]

I am not a lawyer.

I cannot see how CCW around a parolee would be an issue, so long as you were clearly in control of the firearm. When I have heard that an issue with guns being around felons, it's when the firearm was on a table/seat or somesuch and therefore in a position for the prohibited person to conceivably gain control of it.

 

[HoosierQ]

Yeah. Make the felony the felon's problem.

Given the various nature of drug offenses he could be any number of types. He may just be a more or less well-meaning knucklehead that made bad choices and got caught up in something that he wishes he hadn't and is trying to do right today...all the way to...He may be a career narco-thug, with no redeaming social value, and cares not about one darn thing that decent people care about...or he's some sort of person in between. Problem is, you don't know.

So, make the felony the felon's problem and live your life the way you choose to as a free American.

 

[Rockwell1]

I would strongly reccomend that you make it clear to your friend that she is not to diclose your CCW status under ANY circumstance.

 

[kingpin008]

Curiosity: Why would you inform her that you CC?

Concealed means concealed, IMO.

I would strongly reccomend that you make it clear to your friend that she is not to disclose your CCW status under ANY circumstance.

Excellent points.

 

[expvideo]

It's not some birth defect that you are somehow obligated to cater to. He committed a felony, he got caught, he got convicted. It's his problem. Proper ettiquite does not require you to disarm, and he can deal with it because it's his problem that he's a felon, not yours. It's not a physical disability that God gave him, it's a problem that he gave himself, and it's not your problem.

 

[Reyn]

My wife has a couple of bad apples in the family. One is on parole and ive been around him on family gatherings and visits and i always have a firearm on me concealed.

 

[kwelz]

I am going to be faced with a similar situation soon. One of my closest friends is in jail after a guy tried to blackmail him and when that failed when to the police and cried rape. He will be out soon and I have every intent to carry when around him just like I always have.

As long as you retain possession of the firearm you should not have any problems.

 

[Prince Yamato]

As long as you retain possession of the firearm you should not have any problems.

I believe the wording of the law is something like, "...knowingly furnishes a weapon to a convicted felon..."

You're not giving him anything. You're keeping the gun on your person. You would not be in any legal mess as you are not furnishing him with squat.

 

[wyocarp]

It's his mess, let him worry about it. I would keep the gun on me and tell him to take a hike if he wants. But, so long as he doesn't handle it, it's all good.

 

[mcwjr13]

Oh great so now a felon knows that you have firearms. Legally in Texas at least as long as he did not have access to the firearm you are in the clear.

 

[tostada]

I think the fact that "She informed him that I CC" shows that she has the wrong mindset about all this. Yeah, it's her boyfriend, and you're probably not going to convince her not to share things with him, but the obvious fact is that he's the one who's not supposed to be around guns, and if you're responsible and keep things concealed like you're supposed to it should be a total non-issue.

And if she's going to bring up that her boyfriend is a felon, I'd be asking them both for some more details. The sad truth is that these "possession with the intent to distribute" charges could simply mean that the guy's a harmless stoner who happened to have been caught with a week's supply of weed. It might even mean they found his grandma's prescription of Oxycontin, Percocet or Hydrocodone in his car. Some states have mandatory 10-year sentences for that kind of thing on the first offense. But it could very well mean that the guy is a career criminal who was selling heroin to kids. God bless America, land of zero tolerance, no gray areas, and a hefty minimum sentence for every one of those incarcerated folk who make up 3% of our population!

 

[TAB]

I would say its up to his PO... I can't see it being a prob if your "out on the town" , but I would not take it in his home or car.

Just becuase he is a felon does not mean he is a bad person.

I know a few that did something dumb when they were 18-19. I also know some one that is a felony for a fire cracker and one that is a felon for removing the cataletic convert from his car( thats a federal felony btw)


I don't know anyone that I grew up with that did not commit a felony at some point in thier child hood.

 

[ants]

I know you asked about legality, but I see this as a friendship question.

If a good friend asks a favor of me, I generally comply.
It depends upon the favor, depends upon the friend.
I honor your decision to comply with your friend's request.

 

[TRGRHPY]

If the boyfreind invited himself along, then you should have pulled him aside and told him face-to-face to un-invite himself if he has issue with you wanting to protect yourself from him and his friends. Who knows what kind of people this guy has pissed-off during his drug dealings or in prison. Him being around you puts you in danger and at higher risk of being a target. Not only that, but what if he is under some type of investigation for something since he's been out? Do you want to be known to the cops as a known associate? Then there's the fact that your friend is dating this person... Don't let her bad decisions become your problems. There are just too many issues going on here. I wish you luck though. Confronting a friend about something like this isn't always easy.