i have those sudecon wipes and used them once. i thought they were no real help . made my face feel like i put a diluted elmers glue all over it as well. but i guess on the street the only thing equal to a wipe would be a bottle of water and a strong will to perserve.
ACTUAL pepper spray SHU ratings, Spitfire
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Vexor is the best ha what a laugh! I have been exposed to vexors strongest spray and it wasn't as bad as sabre red DPS. The DPS actually welted my face it's so nasty!
Vexor manufactures their spray so they don't effect the respatory system.
Vexor = overpriced junk!
Would take sabre over vexor any day of the week.
Vexor manufactures their spray so they don't effect the respatory system.
Vexor = overpriced junk!
Would take sabre over vexor any day of the week.
brentfoto
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Is the Sabre Red DPS available to members of the general public or only LE/Military?
Pontif
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Effective Distance of spray
One of the biggest issues that I have had with sprays is the limited distance/pressure that "usually" accompanies the typical smaller cannisters. In the "bear" sprays, it is not uncommon to find the effective distances of 20 - 25 feet. Unfortunately, the container is the size of a small fire extinguisher.
I am ashamed to admit it, but I had this discussion about 2 months ago with one of the more established members. He gave me the name of a company that had effective OTN #'s and excellent reach. I will find it and post it for feedback.
One of the biggest issues that I have had with sprays is the limited distance/pressure that "usually" accompanies the typical smaller cannisters. In the "bear" sprays, it is not uncommon to find the effective distances of 20 - 25 feet. Unfortunately, the container is the size of a small fire extinguisher.
I am ashamed to admit it, but I had this discussion about 2 months ago with one of the more established members. He gave me the name of a company that had effective OTN #'s and excellent reach. I will find it and post it for feedback.
first off if you have gotten exposed to their "strongest " you would know it has .16% MORE capsaicinoids then Sabre Red 1.33% VS 1.49% let alone the THIRTEEN MILLION SHU difference and its more refined than FOX labs . I bet the most you ever got hit with was a misguided spritz of black pepper by a clumsy waiter.
brentfoto
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I think the DPS means "Dual Propellant System" in re Sabre Red.
I always get a laugh from the kids that get all their info from google and youtube. I'm a deputy sheriff and have been exposed to many sprays (have you)?
Like I said vexor is manufactured (NOT) to effect the respiratory system, sabre does! Also sabre burns every bit as bad as the LE models of verxor and then some. My partner use to carry the Vexor MK4 1.45MC cans and switched to sabre red when he saw people skin welting up after I deployed sabre red DPS.
Vexor also makes the cheap cap stun which is also garbage, no other company test their products like sabre (their QC) is unmatched. They even test fire each and every can before it leaves.
All these numbers are to confuse you and that they seem to do well! Do you think that it's 15 million SHU after it leaves the nozzle and after it has been in contact with other chemicals in the cannister. Sabre is hotter after it leaves the nozzle and thats a fact. Beside what the percentage in the V7? 1% as apposed to 10%.
yeah i have been exposed to many different kinds including vexor as of last night and it did affect my respiratory tract . i also puked an entire hoagie 3 seconds afterwards . while i didnt see much of a difference between vexor and fox labs . It kicked up the heat alot faster than fox .
Buzz you also said that Spitfire was junk yet when Lab tested it had 1.4% Capsaicin and Related Capsaicinoids. I know the president of Spitfire and they have every single batch HPLC tested and it is consistently hot. They take great pride in their business and go to great lengths to make sure it is hot and has a precise concentration of Capsaicin and Related Capsaicinoids. He is also sprayed with every batch to make sure it works. He started the Spitfire company to help people and to develop a dispenser that someone could actually use under stress and have with them. Most people think you need a large 2-4 ounce can for everyday use when it clearly says in the Sabre instructor course that if you are unable to effect the assailant after 3 bursts then its time to switch to a different force option. The truth is in LE applications and self defense situations 1 shot in the face is more than enough and in fact the less spray you use the better because of the problem with overspray. Do you actually walk around in public with a large can of OC in your hand all the time? NO! But with a Spitfire you can have it with you all the time in your hand ready to go and its natural to carry.
Cap Stun is not junk. When I interned with Omaha Police it was very effective. Every person who was sprayed (even a guy on meth) was unable to see and was subdued. Cap Stun is used by the US Border Patrol, FBI and over 3,000 departments in 40 countries.
I agree with you that Sabre Red is great stuff but did you know that the same formula used in Spitfire is used in Sabre Red? Spitfire also has the 360 degree valve that sprays any direction. So how can you say that Spitfire and Vexor are junk when they all have 1.0-1.4% Capsaicinoids. BTW Vexor is available in a cone that does affect the respiratory system. I know because I have experienced. To be honest with you all of these products from good companies (SEC Sabre & Sabre Red, DPS, Vexor, Cap Stun, Spitfire) are all good products that are HPLC tested so they are always Hot.
Cap Stun is not junk. When I interned with Omaha Police it was very effective. Every person who was sprayed (even a guy on meth) was unable to see and was subdued. Cap Stun is used by the US Border Patrol, FBI and over 3,000 departments in 40 countries.
I agree with you that Sabre Red is great stuff but did you know that the same formula used in Spitfire is used in Sabre Red? Spitfire also has the 360 degree valve that sprays any direction. So how can you say that Spitfire and Vexor are junk when they all have 1.0-1.4% Capsaicinoids. BTW Vexor is available in a cone that does affect the respiratory system. I know because I have experienced. To be honest with you all of these products from good companies (SEC Sabre & Sabre Red, DPS, Vexor, Cap Stun, Spitfire) are all good products that are HPLC tested so they are always Hot.
Floppy_D
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A "Scoville Unit" is the amount of spritzes from a spray bottle containing a sugar-water mixture it takes to neutralize a burn.... giving a jalapeno a score between 2k and 8k units. I don't remember the numbers, but back on the boat, during OC qual time, the reactions varied from mild to silly. While adminstering the spray, I remember that it took the typical person an average of an hour to be able to drive home. Before that, they were a sweaty, slobbering stinging mess. There was no trick out of the misery, but the best after-spray solution was Johnson's Baby Shampoo, applied liberally all over everywhere. I imagine that there are probably humans who are immune to these effects, but they are probably immune to bullets and lasers too. I can eat some really spicy food, but my eyes can't.
Ever heard of attacks by MULTIPLE assailants, Brent? They're quite common, and also a very good reason NOT to carry tiny cannisters.
You certainly don't need a bear spray sized cannister, but one that is large enough for 7 or 8 bursts simply makes good sense. Just like having a handgun with 7 or 8 rounds makes better sense than having one with only three rounds.
The medium sized cannisters are also generally easier to hold and operate than the puny ones.
Also, if you use pepper foam or gel rather than spray, you don't have to worry near as much about overspray. Foam and gel are both suitable for indoor use, while spray isn't.
Yes I have heard of multiple attackers. The compact canisters will work fine for most people. The spitfire has 4 seconds of continuous spray or 8 1/2 second bursts and because there is no actuator button that the spray has to travel through it sprays a wide pattern. I have a Tulsa Police Capitan who works at our bank and got 4 Spitfires including one for himself. It’s not like in the movies where you are busting a crowd with an OC canister. If you have more than two attackers you better be using something besides pepper spray.
I used to carry a large 2 ounce unit on my person and the last time I needed OC it was in my holster and I had no time to get to it. So the large can did not do me any good when a smaller easily carried and effective unit would have been fine. This is why both Sabre and Fox Labs make small canisters. Trust me if the small canisters did not work they would not be sold by the largest and most trusted OC companies.
Next time someone says that the smaller canisters don’t work I would love to ask that person if they would volunteer for a demonstration with that person on the receiving end of the unit. Trust me they won’t want to do anything for 45 minutes. When someone knocks a smaller unit I also respond by asking “Where is your pepper spray right now"? They usually say in the car, in my pocket in my holster. I can say mine is right here in my hand ready to go.
www.spitfire.us
http://www.personaldefensesolutions...Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=PDS&Category_Code=PEPP
http://www.safehomeconsulting.com/gpage2.html
I used to carry a large 2 ounce unit on my person and the last time I needed OC it was in my holster and I had no time to get to it. So the large can did not do me any good when a smaller easily carried and effective unit would have been fine. This is why both Sabre and Fox Labs make small canisters. Trust me if the small canisters did not work they would not be sold by the largest and most trusted OC companies.
Next time someone says that the smaller canisters don’t work I would love to ask that person if they would volunteer for a demonstration with that person on the receiving end of the unit. Trust me they won’t want to do anything for 45 minutes. When someone knocks a smaller unit I also respond by asking “Where is your pepper spray right now"? They usually say in the car, in my pocket in my holster. I can say mine is right here in my hand ready to go.
www.spitfire.us
http://www.personaldefensesolutions...Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=PDS&Category_Code=PEPP
http://www.safehomeconsulting.com/gpage2.html
BTW The Sabre Red DPS canister with 2 ounces of spray in the cone pattern empties in 6 seconds
The Spitfire empties in 4 seconds
Woop dee doo
Per the NIJ Study OC is used at distances of 3 feet or less 96% of the time. I can get both products in someones eyes at that distance with one burst.
The Spitfire empties in 4 seconds
Woop dee doo
Per the NIJ Study OC is used at distances of 3 feet or less 96% of the time. I can get both products in someones eyes at that distance with one burst.
The Lab tests were done by a certified lab. Sabre also uses Cromtec Labs to do their tests and the results were very similar to these companies’ results. These are independent labs that do this testing not the pepper spray company.
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