Adding Bisley Parts to Ruger Blackhawk .45

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I was corresponding with another forum member when he mentioned that he was thinking of adding a Bisley hammer to his Blackhawk.

Has anyone tried this yet? I would think that it would make for more rapid repeat shots. I'm not certain, however, that the Bisley hammer would be compatible with the Blackhawk, in terms of grip clearance.

Has anyone also tried transferring a Vaquero action to a Blackhawk? The hammer and trigger pulls on the Vaquero are much better.
 
To fit Rugers standard Bisley hammer and the regular XR3-RED grip frame together one or the other part will have to be modified. The Bisley hammer has a "hump" on the back that will need to be ground off, or the grip frame will need the hammer slot opened up before these two parts will fit together. If you buy one of the Power Custom Bisley hammers with the half-cock notch, it's made to fit the standard grip frame, and looks a little weird when put on a gun with the Ruger Bisley grip frame.
 
Adding a Bisley hammer, trigger or grip frame to a Blackhawk or Super Blackhawk is always a good idea:D, especially with harder recoiling guns like the 454 Casull, 475 and 500 Linebaugh....
 
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Adding a Bisley hammer, trigger or grip frame to a Blackhawk or Super Blackhawk is always a good idea

So, by doing this, would I end up with an actual Bisley? In other words, is there a difference between a Bis-Hawk and an actual Bisley? Is the BH platform stronger than a Bisley? Maybe the ability to get a barrel length that's only offered in a BH?

I have a .357mag BH, and I see Ruger doesn't even make a .357 Bisley any more, so if I wanted one, I guess this'd be the way to go. Or buy used.
 
The bisley is a styel more than anything. The large frame SA Rugers all use the same cylinder frame (Vaquero differs only by the topstrap). This makes the interchanging of parts prety staright forward. Some fitting of gripframes to the frame may be needed. Not a problem except with blued guns. SBH hammersd and BH hammers will swap easy. Only issues arise when Bisley parts are used with SBH & BH parts. I believe if a SBH or BH hammer is used with the Bisley gripframe, the hammer slot will have extra space rearward of the hammer hump. If a Bisley hammer is used with a SBH or BH gripframe, theres the hump must be reduced or the hammer slot elongated. Triggers swap without any issues between the four models.

So, by doing this, would I end up with an actual Bisley? In other words, is there a difference between a Bis-Hawk and an actual Bisley? Is the BH platform stronger than a Bisley? Maybe the ability to get a barrel length that's only offered in a BH?

Changing these parts doesn't make it a Bisley per say. It'll still letter as whatever model it was originally shipped as. Remember, most all Bisleys shipped with unfluted & rollmarked cylinders. There is no real "Bis-Hawk". That's simply a term given to Blackhawks that have had parts swapped to a Bisley configuration. Most will do this to get, as you mention, a bbl length not available in the cataloged Bisley models. In theory, since the Bisley cylinders are unfluted, they should be stronger due to slightly more material. As I mentioned , all the large frame Ruger SA's use the same cylinder frame with only the Vaquero having the different topstrap.
 
Funtionally, a full-on Bisley conversion (hammer/trigger/gripframe) makes the gun a "Bisley" for all practical purposes.

Half-breeds with a Bisley hammer but the rest standard are something else again :).

Look...one reason you might not want a Bisley hammer on regular parts is that when cocked, it may end up being so low-slung that the tip of the hammer hits the web of your shooting hand. Very annoying, that. The SuperBlackHawk hammer is a mid-step between a regular Blackhawk/Vaq hammer and the Bisley, and is worth considering. Try to figure out how much hammer reach drop you need, then line your gun up next to an SBH and Bisley and see where the new hammer will be.

I did an SBH hammer on my New Vaq and have no regrets at all.

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In the context of a defensive shooting weapon, could someone please explain the tactical advantages of:

1) The Bisley vs. Bird's Head vs. Vaquero/Blackhawk grip.

2) The squared Super Blackhawk trigger guard.

3) The Bisley hammer.

JSM
 
JSM:

1) There are two issues here: "what's comfortable" and "what can deal with big recoil"? "Big recoil" generally means loads out past what you'd use for HUMAN personal defense. The Bisley grip frame is the acknowledged champ at handling "hand cannon class" recoil: 454Casull, 475/500 Linebaugh, the hottest 44Mag & 45LC+P on up. John Linebaugh won't build a handcannon with anything other than a Bisley grip frame. See also the video at:

http://customsixguns.com/

The other "big recoil grip frame" is the larger plowhandle used in SuperBlackHawks with barrels longer than 5.5". These big grip frames are usually seen with a "squareback" trigger guard but that was just a style thing...later variants did ship with round triggerguards ("Hunter" and Magnum Research BFR).

The smaller plowhandles and the Bird's Head are for smaller, handier guns used for less potent rounds...with some noted exceptions as they fit some hands better than the big grip frames. A few people report good recoil control with the Bird's Head, some of whom have smaller hands.

2) We've covered this...the grip frame itself was oversize for recoil control, the triggerguard itself was cosmetic (and now widely seen as a bad knucklewacker of an idea).

3) Hammer selection is all about setting the reach with your strong-side thumb on follow-up shots, versus how fast you can get the first shot off. It's a tradeoff.

Look at the "fast draw hammer" on this lady's gun:

http://bobmunden.com/gallery8.htm

All of Bob Munden's guns are set up with hammers like this. All follow-up shots have to be cocked with the off-hand - thumb reach is downright impossible. The first cock happens before the grip is fully acquired.

With the normal Blackhawk/Vaquero hammer and any of the grip frames smaller than the Bisley or SuperBlackHawk large, thumb reach to the hammer is very long but doable. Not real quick though. A lot of CAS/SASS shooters cock with the off-hand thumb for this reason. This technique means they're strictly limited to two-hand shooting in a real fight, which in my opinion is a good way to get dead. True, some people have big enough hands and long enough thumbs to allow solid strong-hand shooting. I'm not one of them despite my size (6'4") because I shoot "pinkie under" - pinkie slung under the grip frame, which stretches my thumb reach. That's why my gun wears a lower SBH hammer.

(I find that the SBH hammer still allows partial "fast draw" because it widens out at the pad and you can "catch" that width in the outermost thumb joint area.)

When you go to the bigger grip frames, thumb reach gets even crazier. Hence the SBH shipped with the lower-slung hammer that I adapted to my gun, while the Bisley drops the hammer reach even further.

If you're swapping parts around yourself, you want to drop the hammer reach enough for easy thumbing but not so far that it gets caught in your shooting hand's web. Hence you don't often see the low Bisley hammer teamed with the Bird's Head grip - and when you do, the shooter's hands are on the small side assuming they've set the gun up competently.

But there's no hard and fast rules - all of this varies by hand size, hand shape, shooting style, shooting type (target, combat, fastdraw) and recoil level desired.
 
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