Air Marshal Caught Sleeping on Flight

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At first I was kinda miffed about the story but now I am in a different way. Aperantly the Marshal wasn't working the flight. The Flight Attendant seemed to know better than the Marshal about being in control of the gun or seemed to be awfull worried about it? First how would anyone else know he was a Marshal unless she told and next I assume they probably have some sort of retention holster? Just seems to me like a case of the flight attended being another blissninny with the OMG a gun complex?


http://www.kcci.com/travelgetaways/9340184/detail.html

DENVER -- Since Sept. 11, 2001, federal air marshals have been traveling on thousands of flights. Their job is to track suspected terrorists and deter anyone who might try to hijack a plane.

But some marshals are concerned about what happened when one of their bosses was reported sleeping on a flight, according to KMGH-TV in Denver.

The concern is about the agent in charge of the Denver office, Tony Hedges. According to a former senior United Airlines flight attendant, Hedges, who was carrying a gun, was sleeping on a flight to Washington, D.C., which made him vulnerable to being disarmed.

The flight attendant informed authorities, but federal officials never investigated.
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Airline and federal sources said the incident occurred on an early-morning United Airlines flight in March 2004.

Hedges was sitting in a middle seat near the center of the plane. He was armed, but not working the flight.

Two other working air marshals were in the front of the plane. The head flight attendant on the plane noticed that Hedges was sleeping and went forward to tell the other marshals, according to sources.

The e-mail sent by the head flight attendant said: "Since we require a visual of all (persons carrying firearms aboard) I purposely check on them during the flight. ... If (you're) carrying a firearm, shouldn't you be aware of the environment around you at all times?"

The senior flight attendant, part of the Attendant's Safety and Security Group, was so concerned about the issue that the attendant sent the e-mail to contacts at the Denver Air Marshal's Office.

Sources there told KMGH-TV that the incident was reported to a supervisor, but apparently, it went no further.

Hedges called the incident "a cockamamy lie."

But later, a spokesman in Washington said the agency was not aware of the incident and said it will be fully investigated. The spokesman said any agent traveling with a gun on an airplane must be in control of the weapon at all times and said Hedges claimed that he was in control.
 
So, in just what way

was his gun NOT under his direct control?

Assuming the gun was secured in its holster, which was attached to his person, this is a non-event.

Sounds like an officious intermeddler whose skill level peaked at handing out peanuts and demonstrating such complex equipment as seatbelt buckles and life vests. :scrutiny:
 
I'm with Tory on this one. Unless the holster was a thigh holster in plain view, no strap, just a soft fit for the gun, and anyone could walk up and slip it out without a struggle, then I don't see the problem.

Besides, Miss Flight Attendant Security Boss Lady was alerted to the visual of the Marshalls, but did she remember that NONE OF THE PASSENGERS WERE GIVEN THE SAME INFORMATION?

I'd say that by going to the other Marshalls on the plane and speaking to them about her perceived problem, she probably put the plane and the passengers on it in greater danger than just shutting up and making sure nobody assaulted the sleeping Marshall during the flight.

"Make it foolproof, and they'll build a better fool."
 
I don't see what the big deal is.

Sleeping air marshalls have caught just as many terrorists as awake air marshalls.

If he wasn't working, why wasn't his gun in checked baggage?
 
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thats what i hate about people, the unwillingness to just be cool about things. all the lady had to do was wake the sleeping air martial and wisper in his ear 'your peeking' or somthing else. why try to get him in trouble when she doesnt need to. hes there to protect everyone, is she so stupid that she doesnt remember hes one of the good guys? she should have just covered him up with a blanket and problem solved. she didnt have to be a b!%@#.
 
Seems like a non issue to me.

It would take someone knowing he was armed and then being able to take it away from him for it to matter.

I think the airlines have better things to worry about.
 
My problem is with the policy of the flight attendants being aware of who the LEOs are,what if the attendant is in with the terrorist cell?Undercover means undercover,just like concealed means concealed...
 
Up front, let me reiterate my personal opinion that there is nothing good about the sky marshal program and many good reasons it is a big liability.

But as to the "complaint" against this individual man; it is nonsense. Total nonsense. Unless this guy was wearing his sidearm openly there was no logical reason he should not have taken a nap.

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If he wasn't working, why wasn't his gun in checked baggage?
+1

So even if you're not the assigned air marshal for the flight you still get the "privilege" of carrying your gun onboard?
 
The magic words here.....

are "not working the flight"..........As the FAM is incognito, how were the passengers to know who he was..........They don't call flight attendants "air heads" for nothing. My sister in law was one, it shows......chris3
 
From all the articles aboutthe air marshall program, any air marhall is like any other federal cop: He can carry his handgun on any flight, The problem is that he has to notify the flight attendant; when on duty, the marshall must be accompanied on board the aircraft before other passengers. Further, the air marshals gotta dress up all formal and pretty--which 99% of passengers don't do, these days. They're basically forced to be walking (or sitting) targets, which is one of their gripes.

An article from an email I received:

"Air Marshals Accuse Managers Of Compromising Safety
Senator Calls For Federal Inquiry After 7NEWS Investigation

POSTED: 7:18 pm MDT June 5, 2006
UPDATED: 10:46 am MDT June 6, 2006
DENVER -- U.S. Sen. Wayne Allard is calling for a federal inquiry into the Denver office of the Air Marshal Service after several current and former air marshals blew the whistle on serious security breakdowns and talked exclusively to 7NEWS Investigator Tony Kovaleski.

The agency's national director will be in Denver on Tuesday and that's clearly one reason why the air marshals are talking. While they cannot and did not disclose sensitive or classified information, the air marshals do want the public and the national director to hear the truth.

"To tell you the truth, the American people aren't safe and neither are the air marshals," said one air marshal.

"I am definitely more afraid of my managers than I am of terrorists," another air marshal said.

In the days following Sept. 11, 2001, more than 200,000 Americans applied to become federal air marshals. Only the best were handed the badge and the responsibility of protecting the flying public.

"After the events that transpired on 9-11, I felt a personal duty to do my part for this country," one air marshal said.

"We watched with the rest of the country that day and vowed we were never going to let that happen again," an air marshal said.

During the past weekend, five current Denver-based federal air marshals put their careers at risk, exposing breakdowns in security that they say their managers have created or failed to fix.

"If something doesn't change, another 9-11 is very possible," one air marshal said.

"It's a disservice to the American people and a disservice to the federal Air Marshal's Service not sitting here," said another air marshal, explaining why he was talking to Kovaleski.

"This isn't the first choice -- sitting in front of a TV camera?" Kovaleski asked.

"This is absolutely the last choice," an air marshal said.

All five air marshals asked 7NEWS to disguise their identities and alter their voices. They want to alert pilots, passengers and politicians and they want to keep their jobs.

"I know that I'll receive retaliation for what I'm saying if they find out who I am," an air marshal said.

All five air marshals say the security and morale problems begin behind office doors -- with management maneuvers compromising air marshals' undercover identities.

"You might as well put us in uniform and put us on the planes with semiautomatic weapons," said one air marshal.

"You're saying anybody with any kind of intelligence could pick you out on most flights?" Kovaleski asked.

"Absolutely," one air marshal said.

"In my opinion, I will be the first target on that aircraft because they no longer have to bring on board any weapon of any type, other than a shoestring to strangle me while I'm sitting in my seat, take my weapon, and then they have the aircraft," an air marshal said.

During the past week, 7NEWS Investigators have talked with more than a dozen current and former Denver-based air marshals. Many confirmed knowledge of a year-long internal investigation into management of the Denver office.

"Are the personnel issues inside Denver's federal air marshal's office compromising public safety?" Kovaleski asked.

"I believe that the issues are compromising public safety significantly," said one air marshal.

All five current air marshals claim they have repeatedly warned management in the Denver office -- warnings that have produced no apparent change or reaction. It's amplified tensions and reportedly contributed to 10 percent of Denver's air marshals turning in their badges.

"I have not met a Denver federal air marshal that is not actively looking or open to another job," said one air marshal.

"I'd take a $50,000 pay cut and I know guys that have left this office that have taken more of a pay cut," said another air marshal.

"Do you feel at times that you are on a sinking ship?" Kovaleski asked.

"Everyday," a federal air marshal responded.

The agent in charge of the Denver office was told he could not talk to 7NEWS on camera and 7NEWS has been told that the national director of the federal air marshals will not comment.

The only statement to 7NEWS from the agency said in part that "the federal Air Marshal Service strives to be responsive to its workforce and, when warranted, moves to address valid concerns in an appropriate manner."

Allard released this statement:

"Today it was brought to my attention, by KMGH-TV Channel 7, that there are potentially serious management problems at the Federal Air Marshal Service's Denver office. I will be reviewing Tony Kovaleski's entire report very closely tonight. However, based on excerpts sent to me prior to tonight's report by KMGH-TV, I will be asking for an investigation into the allegations raised by this investigative report. I am determined to work with the Federal Air Marshal Service and the Transportation Security Administration to ensure our airline safety is never in jeopardy."

Sen. Ken Salazar released this statement:

"Protecting the American people is one of my highest priorities as a United States senator. Reports of problems with the Federal Air Marshall Program at Denver International Airport, if true, are disturbing. I will work with the Department of Homeland Security to identify any problems that exist and help solve them as quickly as possible. We must do everything we can to keep our skies, borders, ports and other critical infrastructure safe."

The Federal Air Marshals Service released this statement:

"The Federal Air Marshal Service is committed to safeguarding passengers and crew aboard our nation's commercial aircraft. To that end, we are continuously reviewing our policies and programs to be responsive to an ever-changing security environment and to the needs of our employees. As an organization, the Federal Air Marshal Service strives to be responsive to its workforce and, when warranted, moves to address valid concerns in an appropriate manner."

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That said: It's gotta be boring as all get out to sit in airplane from nowhere to nowhere, with no personal purpose in getting where the airplane is going. Like any guard duty, after numerous repetitions of nothing happening over many tours of duty, the mind and body shut down.

I've read nothing anywhere that leads me to believe the system really adds to the security of a flight...

Art
 
henry, clearly it means they have no idea *** they're doing

art, that's just scary. why would any terrorist attempt to take a gun on a plane, when it's far easier to beat the crap out of the preppy guy who got on first and take his gun from him.

or heck, a little social engineering... "excuse me, mrs flight attendant... i think that (random) guy over there has a gun" and when she goes to get the air marshal, who will probably have tunnel vision on the red herring, he gets ambushed. now the terrorist not only has a gun courtesy of the US taxpayers, but he knows who the air marshalls are.


institutional stupidity seems to have no limit
 
"You might as well put us in uniform and put us on the planes with semiautomatic weapons," said one air marshal.

What is that supposed to mean?

It means he's the only one professional enough not to know the Sig he's issued IS an auto. Maybe the journalist screwed the quote up though. From what I've heard those guys are pretty proficient with their sidearms.
I didn't realize they had to dress like G-men, that's almost as dumb as not letting CCW holders carry.
Nice to see the stewardess pays extra special attention to the air marshals to draw more attention to them. "Excuse me sir would you like a pillow for your pistol?" :rolleyes:
 
I have ID'ed air marshells on a number of flights. Some flights either they are not on or I missed them.
Actually interacted on incident with two on one flight.
I have been tempted to write a note and give to them as I go to head. "dude you are printing" and watch them (check their gun placement) :) But figure safety of plane more important.
 
This may be perceived as wrong, but I have little respect for Flight Attendants. They act like Plane Nazis and the slightest little disturbance, they can have one arrested. They are barely adept enough to enforce basic evacuation procedures and on some airlines, they shouldn't even be flying because they are too old, out of shape, etc. Their job is to be able to evacuate an aircraft in an emergency and to pass out the goodies. I would be loathe to trust many of them with my or my family's personal safety. It's a good thing I have plenty of aviation experience so I don't have to rely on these overpaid waiters and waitresses.

I would suggest that ANY Air Marshall should be able to carry whether or not they're actually working a flight. Given the fact that two more FAMs were working the flight, I think the off-duty one was safe to be sleeping. Personally, I can't sleep while flying a commercial flight.

I would like to see the day that permit holders were allowed to carry aboard commercial flights with some extra training but I think that will NEVER happen because in the airline's eyes, we are merely cattle to be transported to here & there. Just another dollar or two in their pockets, nothing more.
 
When you fly armed, you cannot sleep. That's a regulation.

It doesn't matter if he was flying as part of his duties.

Flight attendents know who is armed.
 
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