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Yeah, when I said "what could go wrong", i mean in a catastrophically mame or destroy me kinda way. Feed issues wont kill me, the gun blowing up would...

Kinda excited for this Hi-Point.... if I can wrap my brain around it, it could be good....
 
You can chamber the UZI carbine in .41AE, does that count?
. I dunno, does it? I can't find my book on cartriges, and don't know. How hard would it be to convert a UZI carbine to .40.... probably easier than a AK huh?
 
Heres the thing with me, okay? If you put a hundred trees in front of me, and ask me to get to the other end of the forrest, it'll never happen. Just wont. :evil:

In any count, I've come this far, and now know quite a bit about AKs that I didn't before. Next stop, UZIs and High Points I guess.... I would still like to find something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7d8wvEKoy0
for the UZI... Can't find it... looked REAL hard.

But I did find this! http://files.uzitalk.com/reference/pages/conversionFA40.htm

could it be that easy?
 
Sorry, it's not that easy.

Semi-auto Uzi's are more complicated than the open bolt FA versions.

RE: the youtube thing... You will have more luck looking for drawings and blueprints than you will nice, tidy animations.

I still don't now what you want...

A .40 carbine?

There are a few.

You want one for cheap, but you need to "understand" how it works?

Here's some Uzi help.
 
You may make ANY "Title I" rifle, pistol, revolver, or shotgun for your own uses without reporting it to anyone, or putting a serial number or other markings on it. If you decide to sell that gun, you'll need to put a manufacturer's name (You) and city/state, and add a serial number. The ATF has this info on their web site.
Good to know, thanks for the information Sam.

I dunno. Maybe this IS a crazy project.
A little bit, but you want what you want, and there is nothing wrong with that. I probably came off as being negative, but I just don't want to see you get seriously injured or killed in the process.

Way easier because it's a pistol caliber carbine!
+1, the Uzi is much easier (though petty expensive). The hi-point is cheaper, already available in .40cal, and butt ugly in stock configuration...so is definitely the way to go IMO. All you need to do is fabricate new bullpup furniture for it and figure out a sighting system (I would suggest a Picatinny rail with a low power optic or red-dot on it).

:)
 
Are high points unreliable? I've heard they are crap...

along the uzi line, i think i could prolly get one for 7-8 hundred since I work at a gun store, and would be able to get a direct at cost one. But don't they jam something awful?
 
Are high points unreliable? I've heard they are crap...
I have never owned one, but the ones that I have fired were reliable, and I have heard that their CS is excellent.

But don't [Uzis] jam something awful?
Not if they are made by IMI, they are extremely reliable, and muzzle flip is moderated very well due to the above barrel bolt design. They are hands down the better choice, but should be quite a bit more expensive than the Hi-Point (I would jump all over $7-800 for an IMI carbine).

:)
 
I think you should buy a Hi-point and cut it to pieces.

It will cost less and feel better to learn on than destroying something of value.
 
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I wander how hard it would be to move the action and barrel back a few inches on a high-point... i really wanna look at those.... We are blizzarded in up here, and I can't get out of my parking lot :fire:

I can't find blueprints or anything for the hi-point... GRRRRRR:fire:
 
I wander how hard it would be to move the action and barrel back a few inches on a high-point...
I don't think it would be hard because IIRC there is no spring/buffer assembly in the buttstock. I am not positive as I don't own one and have never really payed that close of attention to the construction. I would go to a local gun shop (the one you work at?) that has one and check it out in person, this will give you a good idea of what you have to work with. I think all you would have to do it remove the stock and fabricate a new buttpad/stock, new forearm (or forward vertical grip), and figure out the trigger linkage (the only part that a monkey couldn't figure out...but this will be tricky to get right).

FWIW, I think the Hi-Point is perfect...it is cheap, and if done properly there is no way that you can make it any uglier. ;)
 
Using an Uzi as a base for a bullpup, one would have to work around the reciprocating charging handle by building a low profile extension of some sort. Food for thought.

I like the Hi-point idea. Extra points if you can convert it to double stack mags!
 
...the reciprocating charging handle...
Forgot about that...that would certainly have to be taken into account. I would probably cut off the old charging handle and redesign the new one to operate from the side if it were me.

Extra points if you can convert it to double stack mags!
...and bonus points if you can make it accommodate the magazines from your favorite pistol (I assume that is why you chose .40S&W to begin with).

:)
 
Yeah, I have a glock 23, and I'm going to get the extra long 29 round clips here, and see if I can get the hi=point to take those, and move the action back so I can get rid of that stock and use the back of the action as a kind of faux 'stock'. I would stilllike to see one of those guns! I couldn't get a look at it today so...

Yeah, and so them I'm thinking I'll furniture it out to look like a UMP 40 as best I can... maybe some purple heart wood and black walnut stained down low could give it kind of a retro futuristic look...

and of course a red dot :)

Technically isn't a uzi already a bullpup because the trigger is in front of the magazine? maybe I'm confused as to what makes a bullpup a bullpup; but anyways, yeah, definitely liking this high point idea, and if its a crap gun, I can always smith it better and better. Which would ultimately be better than building that AK monstrosity I had in mind....
 
The High Point carbines are actually pretty well regarded by folks here on THR who have them. They aren't pretty, but they are very reliable and inexpensive. I've heard very few people here call the carbines "crap." I have heard a bunch of folks call their pistols that, but even so, those who admit to owning them claim that they aren't terrible, just ungainly due to their simple blowback design.

Rigging up a bullpup stock to drop a HighPoint carbine into would be pretty cool.

...the reciprocating charging handle...
The open-bolt Uzi's I've fired did not have a reciprocating charging handle. The handle is attached to the "cocking slide" which retracts the bolt when pulled back, but does not reciprocate with the bolt. I can't recall having fired a closed-bolt (semi-auto) Uzi, but looking at the schematics on Numrich's site, they appear to function the same way.

-Sam
 
Technically isn't a uzi already a bullpup because the trigger is in front of the magazine?
It is no more of a bullpup than a pistol, which is pretty much what it is...a well designed, accurate, FA pistol with a buttstock.

Sam, I think you are right, the Mac-10 (which is a POS IMO) has a reciprocating charging handle whereas the Uzi (at least the full size one) does not. In its present location it will likely still be an issue because it is where your face will rest.

:)
 
Well as I thought about doing a bullpup for that AK nightmare, I was like "but just move the mag... and then.. um... use the magwell as a grip", i was freaking designing a pistol... what a moron ;-P

anyways, yeah, I hope this hi=point stuff works well. If they retail at 220, I'll prolly be able to get one dirt freaking cheap.
 
Sam, I think you are right, the Mac-10 (which is a POS IMO) has a reciprocating charging handle whereas the Uzi (at least the full size one) does not. In its present location it will likely still be an issue because it is where your face will rest.

That sounds about right. And yes, putting your face on top of either would be a bit more brave than I'd like to be.

I've heard everyone say the MAC series were junk. I've never shot one.

In fact, for some odd reason, every time I've played with a F/A weapon it's happened to be an Uzi. They are a lot of fun and I've never had any problem hitting what I was aiming at and keeping to 2-3 shot bursts. (Though squeezing off single shots is odd because of the unfamiliar pre-ignition bolt travel of an open-bolt gun. Kind of like shooting a muzzle-loader...gotta have good follow through after the trigger breaks to still be on target when the shot actually fires!)

Anyway, I've been thinking about a MAC, though, ever since I started reading into all of the upgrades and conversions available for them. Especially the stuff from Lage: http://www.max-11.com/

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Check out this thread: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=469118

I could seriously like such a versatile gun just about as much as an Uzi, I think. Gotta have a high-quality MAC lower to start with, though.

-Sam

P.S. -- Ghengis, does that tickle your fancy at all? If not, check your pulse! LOL! Only problem I see is that it isn't a .40 S&W. I could deal with that...
 
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Sam, honestly I shouldn't have said that the MAC was a POS, because I have only had trigger time with one (but on several occasions), it was a POS, but that is not enough of a sample to draw an accurate conclusion. I would still recommend shooting one to make sure that it is reliable prior to purchasing.

:)
 
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