(AK) Police Blow Up Cannonball, Owner Objects

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Police Blow Up Cannonball, Owner Objects

Monday, September 5, 2005


Yale Metzger wants the Anchorage Police Department to replace his cannonball. Police officers say they blew it up to protect the public.

Metzger said he called police last week to have them examine the cannonball he found in Cordova. Instead, he said, the bomb squad showed up at his home last week with a remote-controlled robot, hauled away the cast iron ball and blew it up.

The police are calling Metzger "an idiot" for carrying the incendiary device around in his truck, then bringing it into downtown Anchorage, where they say it could have sent shrapnel flying for blocks had it exploded.

Metzger, 45, an attorney, found the 4-inch, 8-pound, cast iron ball last summer while excavating property he had purchased. It was unearthed in what most recently was a snow dump.

Metzger put the ball in the back of his pickup, where it rolled around for a year, he said. Over time he began to investigate how a cannonball, a projectile that stopped being used more than a century ago, could have ended up in Cordova.

Once the ball was in Anchorage, Metzger was concerned the ball could be still active. He wanted to know if his cannonball was solid or hollow, and if it was hollow, if it had volatile black powder.

The bomb squad took one look at it in Metzger's garage and treated it like a bomb seconds away from blowing.

"Could it have exploded?" Metzger asked. "Sure. So could a meteor fall out of the sky and hit your truck."

The bomb squad exploded the cannonball at the Anchorage Landfill. Sgt. Jeff Morton said a secondary explosion occurred and a different color of smoke blew out, making it certain that the cannonball had volatile black powder.

Police have not second-guessed their decision to destroy what might have been an artifact.

"We're not going to put a bomb technician's life in jeopardy over a cannonball or anything else," Jennings said. He called Metzger "an idiot" for bringing the bomb into town and for questioning the bomb squad's decision to destroy it.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/09/05/national/a195558D27.DTL
 
while normally uxo should be given a wide bearth, i think this was ridiculous.
first, black powder is deactivated by moisture is it not? matter of fact, it will absorb moisture out of the air. i don't see anyway a century old mass of black powder could still work. plus the damn thing rattled around in the guy's truck for a while.
if we were talking about rdx or tnt, it would be different, but ***, black powder has got to be nothing more than complicated mud after a century under dirt and snow.
 
Metzger put the ball in the back of his pickup, where it rolled around for a year
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Metzger, 45, an attorney

Yep, he's an idiot. Bet if it did blow up, he would have sued the AK police dept for not warning him to the potential dangers of the canon ball.
 
Er... Wouldn't it be sort of obvious that a cannonball had a spot into which the black powder was poured, which would then be sealed? Methinx the bomb guys saw such a sealed spot, and immediately jumped to (the correct) conclusions...

But here's what I woulda done...

$39 Harbor Fright (not a typo) drill press. Half inch bit. Slow speed.

Long piece of string for the handle.

Shovel.

Patience.
 
I've had a cannonball sitting in my living room for 25 years. And it's a big one... as big as a bowling ball and weighs about 60 lbs. Hasn't blown up yet... :rolleyes:
 
two things...

1. I recently saw a metal detector guy's collection of battlefield artifacts. He had a couple of cannon balls. I asked if there were powder in either of them. He didn't know. I said, "Those could blow up, even today." He said, "Haven't blown up YET!" I said, "OKIE DOKIE!" :rolleyes: Then he started talking about drilling them, which leads to...

2. NEVER TRY TO DRILL (or otherwise disable) THESE! There are numerous accounts of people blowing themselves to kingdom come trying this. Even with long strings attached to handles. Then there's the maiming...

Are YOU qualified to determine that trying to disable one of these will not result in an explosion? Are you qualified to determine whether it is inert?

Better to err on the side of caution with these. They are BOMBS! You don't want to wind up being a casualty of some 150 year old war now, do you? :eek:
 
it could have sent shrapnel flying for blocks had it exploded
This guy may be an idiot but the gubmint o-fficial who said this is too. I seriously doubt "blocks" would be involved here.

Greg
 
Oh course it could have blown up and violently too, I saw the same thing happen in the movie "Sahara". Dirk Pitt shot a fuzed cannonball out of a dusty artillery piece, from a derelict ironclad no doubt, and that old cannonball blew up a bad-guy helicopter that was speeding right towards them! If it happens in the movies, it has to be real? Right?(tongue firmly planted in cheek)
 
"Metzger was concerned the ball could be still active."

And he somehow thinks that the police did the wrong thing by treating it as if "the ball could be still active". They followed the appropriate procedure for a UXO. He's just embarassed that he endangered his life and everyone's around him for over a year and wants to deflect it.
 
while normally uxo should be given a wide bearth, i think this was ridiculous.
first, black powder is deactivated by moisture is it not? matter of fact, it will absorb moisture out of the air. i don't see anyway a century old mass of black powder could still work. plus the damn thing rattled around in the guy's truck for a while.
if we were talking about rdx or tnt, it would be different, but ***, black powder has got to be nothing more than complicated mud after a century under dirt and snow.

Wrong!

When I was assigned to an EOD unit in Ft Polk, we had a bunker full of cannon balls that had been recovered from a gunboat that was sunk in the Natchez River in Mississippi. They had been under water for over a hundred years and some still had dry powder charges that detonated when we hit them with small shape charges. The ones with wooden fuses almost all had deteriorated main charges, but the balls with brass fuses had a significant number with dry powder.

I had 18 years experience in EOD and one thing You have to remember is that a piece of dud ordnance can undergo various different shocks. It could go off the first time or might wait until the 100th shock to detonate.

The worst scare I had was with a Civil War hand grenade that started hissing when I picked it up. It turned out to be gas pressure escaping but I didn't think of that as I was breaking the world shot put record getting rid of it. :D
 
The worst scare I had was with a Civil War hand grenade that started hissing when I picked it up. It turned out to be gas pressure escaping but I didn't think of that as I was breaking the world shot put record getting rid of it.

:what: :evil: :D

Amen, brother! I've assisted on similar work in South Africa, many years ago. Our motto when handling explosive devices was "If it makes a noise, make like a cheetah chasing its supper!"
 
Friend of mine had a case where landowner sold land to developer here. Developer does his thing and finds out that land was Civil War supply depot. Cannonballs turned out to be "non-bursting" but cannister rounds. :uhoh:

How would you like to be the guy driving the bulldozer or grader "discovering" this lost history? :what: :D
 
A friend of mine unearthed some Civil War era cannon projectiles, several years ago (5 or 6 of 'em, as I recall). They had been buried in a marshy area, where a supply train derailed, for well over a century. Upon his return home, confident any black powder within would have been rendered a soggy, safe mass by the damp (wet??) environment, he took one to his workbench and pounded out the plug with a hammer & chisel. He then took the projectile outside, to flush it out with a hose. When he tipped it sideways. black powder poured out. Nice, shiny, DRY black powder.

When he regained consciousness :D he carefully removed the remaining "bombs" to his back yard and called the police; a nice man in a big truck (wearing a relly funny suit) took them away.

My buddy did flush & keep the one, though, as an antique and as a reminder . . .
 
I've had a cannonball sitting in my living room for 25 years. And it's a big one... as big as a bowling ball and weighs about 60 lbs. Hasn't blown up yet...

I've got a bowling ball in my closet, it hasn't blown up either. I agree with the police - this fellow is an idiot...a lucky idiot.
 
Don't meddle with old unloaded firearms. They are the most deadly and unerring things that have ever been created by man. You don't have to take any pains at all with them; you don't have to have a rest, you don't have to have any sights on the gun, you don't have to take aim, even. No, you just pick out a relative and bang away, and you are sure to get him. A youth who can't hit a cathedral at thirty yards with a Gatling gun in three-quarters of an hour, can take up an old empty musket and bag his mother every time at a hundred. Think what Waterloo would have been if one of the armies had been boys armed with old rusty muskets supposed not to be loaded, and the other army had been composed of their female relations. The very thought of it makes me shudder. - Mark Twain
If it works for rifles, it has to work tenfold for artillery.
 
Preacherman,

Amen, brother! I've assisted on similar work in South Africa, many years ago. Our motto when handling explosive devices was "If it makes a noise, make like a cheetah chasing its supper!"

Reminds me of the classic T-shirt:

BOMB SQUAD
If you see me running, try to keep up!
 
I know this fellow. He is one of the nastiest people I've ever met. If the round had gone off, I would have popped a cork and had a little party to celebrate.

The police are calling Metzger "an idiot"

:D That's a great one. Kudos to the APD!
 
I suggest listening to EOD GUY; he knows whereof he speaks.

There are many non-explosive projectiles around from the Civil War and other wars. Solid shot (the "cannonball") is the most common. But shell and spherical case look to the untrained eye exactly like solid shot - they are not. The first has an explosive charge, the second has an explosive charge plus a large number of iron or lead balls that go flying about when the charge is set off. It is not a good idea to be in the vicinity when that happens.

Civil War fuses were not totally reliable, and may explosive projectiles, both spherical and "bullet shape", are in the ground around battle sites, complete with fuses that didn't fire the charge. As EOD GUY says, the wooden fuses may have deteriorated, but the brass ones did not and kept the main charge sealed and dry. Even worse, some fuses malfunctioned in other ways. Some shells had impact fuses that struck brush and soft dirt and were not set off. But pick up one of those shells and drop it on its nose, and you could get a short, violent lesson on the effectiveness of antique artillery.

Jim
 
Cannon shells

All old ammunition is deadly.the so called safe stuff will get you when you least expect it.In World War 1 the British laid 6-8 Huge 1000 tons land mines under the German trenches and fired them off. they miscounted, lost one which went of in about 1957 thankfully under a farmers fields.They are not sure but think there is still one there LIVE just waiting!Anybody want to volunteer to plow those fields?
 
While diving off the

leeward coast of Oahu about 20 years ago I found what I thought was the cavitation cap for a boat motor. Upon taking it home and spending about 45 minutes with a screw driver prying out the wooden plug I discovered a mass of blackish mud. Since it was just a matter of rinsing out the mud at that point I continued.

I later discovered my "cavitation cap" is probably the nose of a 3 inch shell. The gods often smile on fools and idiots. They sure were smiling on me that day, I still have all my appendages.

migoi
 
Just one block from me a civil war ammo supply was dug up during construction. The US Army was called in to remove it. They found quite a few of the cannonballs to still be live and detonated them.
Don't just think that because munitons is old that it's charge is now inert.
 
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