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AK47 bullet stuck in barrel

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by random_gun, Nov 16, 2012.

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  1. random_gun

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    Well this is the second time it happened.

    I have a Saiga 7.62x39 sport rifle. After I pulled the trigger it felt like dry fire. I pulled the charging handle back and the case was ejected along with the powder......
    I got powder all over my face....I learned again ALWAYS keep my mouth shut while handling firearm......
    The bullet is stuck about 2'' into the barrel.. I tried to knock the stock again ground or push with cleaning rod from muzzle, but the bullet was sitting pretty tight there... Last time it was about 1'' deep and it took quite some effort to get it out....

    1. Any good way to get it out of the barrel?
    2. How can I be sure it's already safe when this happens? If case and bullet are disconnected, the bullet should be safe?
    3. What's causing it? ammo? firing mechanism? magazine (or the way I load the magazine)?
    I use Herter's 7.62x39 Rifle Ammunition 122g HP from Cabelas.

    It could be dangerous if I thought the gun was empty and somehow loaded another round into the action....
     
  2. random_gun

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    LOL
    Last time I went to the range to sight in my scope, the eyepiece fell off inside the scope right after I zeroed the scope...
    This time, I was just about to finish sighting in the iron sight... it jammed....
     
  3. BP44

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    Ram it out with a old cleaning rod and be sure to use small taps at first and try to center the old rod on the tip of the bullet.

    It is very dangerous and I would go get a set of chamber checks( go/no go gauges) and check the chamber and make sure it's not short throated. I'm guessing you chambered a round and it pulled the bullet when you jacked the live round out is this correct? If it was a squib load then change ammo.
     
  4. M1key

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    Might try some penetrating oil poured down the muzzle and a sturdier rod or wooden dowel. Give it a good rap with dead-blow hammer.

    Good luck

    M
     
  5. LUCKYDAWG13

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    i would run oil down the barrel and use a brass rod and tap the bullet out
    and then i would take the leftover ammo put that in oil and buy new :banghead:
     
  6. random_gun

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    Seems like problem with ammo? The bullet is made out of spec? Or something wrong the the case/powder?

    btw should I use remington oil in the barrel? I don't know if that helps preventing this from happening again...
     
  7. BP44

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    Don't soak the bore in oil and fire the gun it will solve nothing.

    Go to a safe place and using the same ammo chamber and slam home a round (let the action cycle at full force closed) then manually eject the shell and see it if happens again. If you still have the problem shell take a look and see if the primer has fired seating the bullet in the throat.

    Get your self a set of go no go's and that should take the guess work out of it
     
  8. fatcat4620

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    If the bullet is that stuck and two inches down the barrel then the primer went off but the powder did not burn. Not sure how that happened, especially twice. Was it the same box of ammo?
     
  9. K1500

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    Do NOT use a wooden dowel rod.
     
  10. WardenWolf

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    Pull the bullet from a round, put a bit of tissue paper in to keep the powder from falling out, and then chamber it and shoot the bullet out. That's the easy and "safe" way to do it, since you're not doing anything to the gun it wouldn't do through normal operation. Even gunsmiths do this a lot.
     
  11. M-Cameron

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    im sorry but ive got to advise against that method.

    what you currently have is a bore obstruction, and while the most likely cause is a failure for the powder to ignite, you must assume the worst, which would be out of spec. ammo or barrel.

    if you were to load a blank round with a round that is out of spec and currently blocking the barrel, you run a good chance of blowing out the barrel or worse.




    what i would do would be to get a length of Aluminum or Brass stock from the hardware store O( if you hardware store doesnt have it, check McMaster) and use that to lightly tap the bullet out of the barrel.

    as stated before, you dont want to use wood because with a pointed bullet, the wood will splinter causing it to get jammed in the barrel along with the bullet.
     
  12. loose noose

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    Warden Wolf, apparently I've missed something here, didn't he say he had a squib load where the bullet lodged in the barrel? Why in the world would you try to place another round behind it and try to shoot it out? I would use a brass rod and tap it out, that would be the simple way of doing it. Further I would discard that Herters ammo, it's cheap for a reason.:scrutiny:
     
  13. random_gun

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    Are you sure this is safe? The tissue won't burn? And the barrel won't blow up? The bullet is stuck... not just sitting there...
    IMO normally the powder sits in the case longer with the bullet on, idk what is going to happen to fire without bullet
     
  14. random_gun

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    where can I find some information on go/no go, throat specifically for AK47?
    I am new to these stuff (aka. dunno what I am doing....)
    Thanks.
     
  15. BP44

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    The go no/ go gauges can be had on line through midway and essentially what you have is a perfect dummy round with the correct dimensions. If you own a old aluminum cleaning rod you don't mind "possibly" beating up just pull the bolt and slide the rod down the muzzle with some snap. It will come out.

    SAVE the bullet and mic it to see if it was oversized
     
  16. rcmodel

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    NOOOooo!!

    Never ever use a wood dowel or jointed cleaning rod to try to pound on a stuck spitzer bullet.

    The end of the dowel will split, and it will wedge in beside the bullet tighter then a north bound gnats south end!! Same with a jointed cleaning rod.

    The joints will expand and stick at every joint.

    You will then have The Mother of All Bore Obstructions to try to get out!!!

    Go to any hardware store, buy a 1/4"x36" steel or brass rod, and pound it out with that.

    rc
     
  17. Zoogster

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    WardenWolf said:
    While that can work it is exceedingly dangerous and should not be done.
    There is a few reasons. One being the round could be lodged good because it is out of spec.
    But more importantly is even if the bullet is just fine and merely engaged by the rifling explosive forces and pressure build up differently when you add more space.
    Even though it would seem like it would result in less pressure sice the bullet starts further away and there is more space between breech face and bullet.
    Ammunition gives bullet a running start from the chamber into the rifling, and that reduces the pressure vs if you start the round with the bullet against the rifling. The bullet further down actually allows the pressure to gradually get higher and then peak higher before it gets up to speed.

    Black powder muzzle loader users (though black powder has properties that can make it a little worse) for example sometimes actually blow up thier guns or bulge the barrel doing essentially the same thing by accident. They don't push the bullet all the way down onto the powder and instead fire it with the bullet/ball some distance ahead of the powder. That gap of space and air allows pressure to build up before the projectile even moves and peak pressure can be much higher.
    The exact same charge and bullet that would be safe loaded right can build too much pressure in that circumstance.

    Doing it in a smokeless gun is also going to reach higher pressures than saami intended before the bullet starts moving. It can be okay, especially since guns are designed for proof loads with a margin of safety above operating pressures, but it's still not something I would advise as a standard fix.
    I hope a gunsmith using such methods is ready to eat the cost of bulged barrels on occasion, or worse if the bullet has corroded into or seated itself more firmly by the time they attempt to blow it out.
     
  18. limpingbear

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    Last time I had a bullet lodged in the barrel, i used a section of brass brazing rod with the flux coating removed. And i second using a dead blow hammer...
     
  19. chris in va

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    I'd like to see a pic of the primer. My Saiga never had issues, but there's always a first time.
     
  20. MilsurpShooter

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    Brass rod as close to the barrel diameter as you can get. This way it sit's right on top of the pointed nose and has no wiggle room, coat the rod with bullet lube if you'd like. Sharp knock with a mallet.

    After you get it out, check the bore and the outside of the barrel to make sure it didn't bulge up and didn't damage the rifling too badly.

    Never ever, ever, ever, ever, EVER attempt to fire anything down a barrel with an obstruction, even if it's a bullet blank. Bullets don't sit inside the barrel, there's a small bit of acceleration done before it contacts the rifling (unless you're using a high grade match rifle but that's slightly different) Then the gas will push it the rest of the way, without knowing if the bullet is jammed or if it will move freely given the proper charge behind it is not worth the risk. And I don't mean the gun, I mean your eye, your fingers or your life.

    Kroil or PB blaster down the barrel as well if it's really jammed in there, let it work down the rifling and past the bullet. Spray in and hang vertical for awhile, when it starts dripping out of the action you know it's gotten past the obstruction.
     
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