Alabama police chiefs call for CA style ban on SKS

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al chiefs call for ca style ban on SKS

http://www.timesdaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040628/APN/406280918


Chiefs call for ban on rifle used in Birmingham officers' deaths

By KYLE WINGFIELD
Associated Press Writer

The rifle believed used in the recent slayings of three Birmingham police officers would be illegal under a bill now before Congress, a move supported by some of Alabama's top law officers in the wake of the deaths.

"It's a military weapon all day long," Montgomery police Chief John Wilson said Monday of the SKS, a semiautomatic rifle whose rounds can penetrate the protective vests worn by most police officers. "That's all it is, and it needs to be used for nothing more than that."

But while Wilson and Mobile police Chief John Cochran said the SKS and similar semiautomatic rifles should not be available to the general public, Alabama's U.S. senators and others in the congressional delegation historically have opposed gun-control measures.

Gun-control advocates say the SKS, a Soviet-made rifle that preceded the AK-47, is the semiautomatic rifle most often used against police officers. Authorities in Birmingham have said it was used in the June 17 killings of officers Robert "Bob" Bennett, Harley Chisholm III and Carlos Owen.

The three officers were wearing protective vests when they were shot while trying to arrest a man on a misdemeanor assault warrant. Two men, 27-year-old Nathaniel Woods and 24-year-old Kerry Marquise Spencer, are charged with capital murder in the officers' deaths.

The SKS and the Bushmaster rifle - a cousin of the U.S. Army's M-16 used in the January deaths of two Athens officers in north Alabama - both are readily available at gun stores throughout Alabama because they are not among the "assault weapons" banned by Congress in 1994.

That could change soon. A federal bill that would make permanent the ban, which ends later this year, also would broaden the definition of "assault weapon" to include the SKS, Bushmaster and similar models.

A comparable law already is in place in California, said Kristen Rand, legislative director for the Violence Policy Center.

"The beauty of this approach is that we know it's working in California and the manufacturers haven't found a way around it," Rand said.

It's unclear, though, whether the measure will pass. The Senate in March narrowly approved a 10-year extension of the ban without the broader weapon definition, and Alabama Sens. Jeff Sessions and Richard Shelby both voted against that bill.

The two Republicans were traveling Monday and unavailable for comment, but press officers for each noted their opposition to gun-control measures in the past.

A spokesman for Rep. Robert Aderholt, R-Haleyville, said the congressman opposed the permanent ban but was unavailable for further comment.

Even with a ban, it could prove difficult to eliminate the rifles.

Jim Cavanaugh, regional director for the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, said there are "millions of them in circulation," owing to the SKS' popularity as a lightweight, easily concealable weapon that's relatively inexpensive - around $200 or less.

"It's not a bad rifle or a good rifle, it's just a rifle," Cavanaugh said.

Wilson, the Montgomery police chief, wrote an opinion piece for Sunday's Montgomery Advertiser in which he said the weapons were "easy to conceal, they shoot a multiple amount of rounds, they're easy to convert to full automatic - there are too many evils in those guns for the general public to be walking around with them."

"They're very dangerous weapons, they're powerful weapons and they're not the weapon of choice for hunters or anything like that," said Cochran, the Mobile police chief. "They're simply powerful weapons for self-defense, but likewise can be used for killing. They're war weapons."

"I think it's a fine rifle," Larry McCoy, a Mobile gun shop owner, told the Mobile Register for a Monday story about the SKS. "I think most people buy them to hunt with, but you can use them for self-protection."

Wilson, however, said: "They are not good for hunting, and people can make that argument all they want to and it's wrong, because I used to own one. All they are are assault rifles."
 
You would think that in such a place as Birmingham that has seen some of the most violent civil rights violations that law enforcement would support the right of self protection.

But then again it would make hanging someone a little more difficult.

Never mind...................

Misinformation and panic spewing forth from law enforcement. You almost can't tell the difference between them and politicians any more.
 
Yet again (yawn) .. ''assault'' ..... ''assault'' ..... ''assault'' ..... gets so tedious. :rolleyes:

These are semi-auto carbines that happen to have been mil issue. There are plenty of other rifles out there well capable of being just as destructive .. if in determined felonious hands.

So - as ever - one incident (sad tho it is) determines that ALL of a particular model should be banned? Thus 99.99999% of legit and safe shooters have to carry the can?

It's no good ... if I don't stop I'll continue with a long tirade .... :fire:
there are too many evils in those guns for the general public to be walking around with them
That's just the ''usual'' ''get em off the streets'' crap .. said differently.

Please point me to the nearest wall ...........

Thank you ....... :banghead: :banghead:
 
…the SKS, a semiautomatic rifle whose rounds can penetrate the protective vests worn by most police officers.
Um, someone needs to inform these morons that just about any rifle round can penetrate vests worn by police officers. Even a frick’n .22LR can penetrate most vests.
 
How's an SKS "easily concealable?" And why do we again need some type of hunting pretext for ownership of firearms?
 
Misinformation and panic spewing forth from law enforcement. You almost can't tell the difference between them and politicians any more.

feedthehogs-

Do you pretend there is a difference? ;)

-316SS
 
Jim Cavanaugh, regional director for the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, said there are "millions of them in circulation," owing to the SKS' popularity as a lightweight, easily concealable weapon that's relatively inexpensive

You know, to me te SKS isn't exactly my first choice of a lightweight CCW... (but hey, I'm not a government offfical, so I don't know) :rolleyes:

"It's a military weapon all day long," Montgomery police Chief John Wilson said Monday of the SKS, a semiautomatic rifle whose rounds can penetrate the protective vests worn by most police officers. "That's all it is, and it needs to be used for nothing more than that."

I find bulletproof vests are too expensive to shoot at. :what: BTW, I wonder what my 8mm Mauser will do to one of those vests.

"The beauty of this approach is that we know it's working in California and the manufacturers haven't found a way around it,"

Then what are all of the Cali-legal SKS's I see? :confused:


"I think it's a fine rifle," Larry McCoy, a Mobile gun shop owner, told the Mobile Register for a Monday story about the SKS. "I think most people buy them to hunt with, but you can use them for self-protection."

Buy this man a beer ;)

"It's not a bad rifle or a good rifle, it's just a rifle," Cavanaugh said.

That gun by itself is doing nothing worse than the pop can on my desk. One of the most intelligent things I've heard from a government agent in a while.

Now, I'm just waiting back on my letter of questionable modifications I would like to make on my SKS...
 
I must have gotten ripped off with my SKS, I didn't get one of the ones that are convertible to full automatic:rolleyes:

A 9.5 pound rifle is easily concealable? He must be a big guy.....
 
Even a frick’n .22LR can penetrate most vests.

How?:confused:

Even the lightest vest is supposed to be able to stop .22 and .25 handgun bullets, right? What's the point of wearing a vest if it can't do that? BB gun protection? ;)
 
Chris...LOL, I guess I'll be headin' down to Alabama to get me one of those fully automatic SKSs:p
 
Easily concealable? What nonsense... does being a police chief get you some kind of pass on making ridiculous statements to the press without any kind of challenge?

Good work from Agent Cavanaugh and the gun store owner though for making an attempt to inject some reason into the debate.
 
It's a shame that there are some that would blame a simple tool becasue it was used by a violent thug to resist arrest. just about any rifle round can penetrate a vest. Hell an M-1 carbine would probably do the job. That is not the issue. The tool chosen to attack police officers is not the issue. Attacking police officers in the performance of their duty is an issue. Let's look more at the criminal than the tool here. I'm just amazed at the ignorance of some people. As a Deputy Sheriff I am saddened and angered by the deaths of police officers, but let's place the blame where it belongs, on the thugs that pulled the trigger.

Scott
 
Jim Cavanaugh, regional director for the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, said there are "millions of them in circulation,"

So come and get 'em, zipperhead.
 
Quite frankly, there ought to be a law pertaining to public officials and the media about lying, with very stiff penalties, including jail time and immediate loss of the public trust and office he/she holds.

Ya, right, I used to own one. What a bunch of BS.

Man, these nutjobs never cease to amaze me.

I'm going to go home and fondle my SKS Assault Weapon.
 
I'm surprised no-one had mentioned a singular absurdity in the story - the standard SKS is now and always has been perfectly legal in Kalifornistan, Kali AWB notwithstanding. The current Yugo versions have to have their Evil Grenade Launchers removed from the muzzles, but that's all. And aftermarket >10 round mags (or versions that are fitted to accept detachable mags) are verboten.

But despite the fact that the Original Stockton School Shooting that led to the Kali bans was committed with an SKS, that particular rifle is perfectly legal here :banghead: . I have two (Russian, Tula Arsenal, grade 1, nice wood) I bought for $69 when they first became available, and an FFL friend has 3 Kali-modified Yugos for sale right now.

And none have ever given the slightest hint of turning any law abiding citizen into a raving lunatic baby & cop killer. :scrutiny:

OTOH, I don't know many blissninnies - maybe the Evil Gun Emanations only work on them. :evil:
 
Huh, how bizzare.. just when I think my local elected officials have common sense.. they go and show me up :(

The deaths of the officers was tragic (Owens was a friend of my brother, they used to drink beer together sometimes), but by no means is it a reason to ban all SKS's.

I thought Alabama was above this Knee-Jerk hysterical female hot-flash garbage. Is the state of my birth turning into a bliss ninny zone? :( :eek:
 
"Gun-control advocates say the SKS, a Soviet-made rifle that preceded the AK-47, is the semiautomatic rifle most often used against police officers."

Gee, I fire mine all the time, and have not shot a single Cop yet. I must be doing something wrong. :rolleyes:
 
Is it remotely possible to make an SKS full auto? Not that I would want to but I never heard or read of it being done. :confused:
 
Misinformation and panic spewing forth from law enforcement. You almost can't tell the difference between them and politicians any more.

Police chiefs aren't (usually) elected, but that doesn't mean they aren't political. Politicians appoint them, and they do and say whatever keeps them on the pols' good side and sitting in the comfy chair.
 
I have been a police chief and a chief law enforcement officer. There are police chiefs and there are politichiefs. I have shot SKSs. They aren't bad but, they are not all that and a box of Cracker Jacks.
 
Hmmm... I live in Kali and last time I checked my 2 SKS rifles never shot any cops nor are they illegal here in Kali. When are we gonna start hearing from pro-gun police chiefs?
 
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