Alarm Systems

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"A miniature Schnauzer has worked very well for me for many years. Very noisy, nobody sneaks up on THIS house."

It is great to see so many posting about their dogs, dogs are great, I have one and he is a great alarm system, and although he would probably like to have the intruder for lunch, that is not his job, it's my job and my shotgun. My Wife and I take our dog practically everywhere so the alarm system is for when none of us are home.

"Install outdoor lighting.
Trim trees and bushes from window and door areas to remove privacy for a would be burgler.
Install quality locks on windows and doors.
Use locks (seems obvious but...)"

"A multiple camera system set up to a HDD capable of storing 1 year of footage across 8 cameras at once. 1 camera covering each direction on the corners, one at each entryway"

All excellent ideas!

"a typical house alarm can simply be defeated by cutting the phone line before breaking into the home. It is very rare to find a house with a system running off of a cel network.

Make your first priority to smash the siren and you have all the time in the world, unless somebody comes home... "

Cell phone backup is only a few hundred dollars more and maybe ten to fifteen dollars a month more for monitoring, today with cell phones so popular I imagine most alarm systems have them.

"Most importantly, a family "fall back" point where the wife and I can cover the choke point while we wait for LEO."

Excellent advise, call 911 secure your family and let the bad guy come to you and enter the kill zone of your ambush, do not go to him and enter his ambush.

A good gun safe will run you $500 TO $3000, a good alarm system $500 TO $2000 with a monthly monitoring fee of $25 to $50, house insurance will run $500 a year, car insurance for one car $500 a year, cell phone for personal use $25-50 a month, cable TV $40-80 a month, internet service $30-40 a month, I really don't understand why almost everyone does not have a good alarm system, especially for when there is nobody home.
 
I got the german shepherd, the bosch night vision cameras recording to my hd, they cover 4 corners of the property so i will see you comming or going, motion lights front and rear, privacy fence with the wifes roses infront of em so you cannt climb big fan of good locks and dead bolts.
The new layer though is a GE home security system. fire/smoke sensor, Motion sensors in areas where dog will not enter, glass break sensors, contacts on doors and windows.
Cool functions are my iphone will arm/disarm/bypass any sensor via internet and the system is all wireless and the system dials out on a cell card.. no lines to cut anywhere.
home owners insurance gave me a 15% discount too!
cost 49.99 amonth
 
It seems I remember hearing that they now make an alarm that plugs into the wall, and covers the entire dwelling somehow without holes in the wall etc. I never really checked into it because it wasn't something I needed, but I do recall hearing an ad for it on the radio some years back. You might do some research on that.
 
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"It is great to see so many posting about their dogs, dogs are great, I have one and he is a great alarm system, and although he would probably like to have the intruder for lunch, that is not his job, it's my job........."

+1 on that...I do like the heads-up that is far superior to any other alarm I may use. It is his job to keep watch at my house, and my job to dispatch anything that might get past him...(Fat chance)
 
I went a different route. I installed a wireless alarm system that doesn't require crawling under your house, drilling holes, etc. Door and window sensors, along with motion detectors, all transmit a wireless signal to the base unit.

There are no monthly charges as this system will call up to four numbers, with a message that you record. I've installed two systems. They are X-10 compatible, which means you can wirelessly control indoor and outdoor lights.

You can program (very easy) a light to come on that will alert you to the fact that your system was tripped. I have mine set to James Bond mode! All indoor and outdoor lights flash when the alarm is tripped, 911 is called and the message gives them the address, then 911 can listen to sounds in the house.

The system also calls my cell phone and two neighbors. I have an outdoor rotating amber light. A barking dog alarm goes off, each room has piercing alarms so loud that you can't stand being there. Video cameras, along with zone indicators let me know where the bad guy is.

Someone mentioned cutting the phone line. This system will still do everything else. I've put a fake phone cable coming into my house and I put the real one in a hard to cut met sheath. The system is also battery backed up.

The basic system is cheap (my opinion) and you can add to it when you wish. Check it out at: x10.com
No, I don't own the company or have stock on it!
 
Home Alarms

Some police departments charge for responding to false alarms.
Many will not respond to home alarms at all, as false alarms take police away from important calls.
Something the alarm companies will not tell you.
I suggest you call your local PD and ask about responding to private home alarms before investing in a system like ADT.

You can build a system, with Radio Shack off the shelf components, for about $50.
By using a motion detector and lots of 1 inch square peizo (sp?) beepers to make a lot of noise INSIDE the home.
These auto type beepers are cheap/small, work in a 12v alarm system, and can be hidden everywhere.

The noise INSIDE drives the BG outside.
It's hard to fill pillow cases with stuff and cover your ears at the same time!
Not a lot of wiring, and the window stickers and yard sign also help.
 
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I have an alarm system with ADT. It has a cellular backup in case the main phone line fails or is cut. I'm a heavy sleeper and rely on the alarm system to wake me up if someone forces a door or window during the night. It also means I can rely on ADT to call the cops (if I don't respond with the right password when they try to call me a few seconds later), meaning that's one less thing I need to worry about. I can focus on waking up, grabbing my gun and flash light, and listening to what's going on in the house.
 
radioshack also sells small motion detectors, you've probably heard one walking into a store somewhere as it chimed.

While they typically run on 9v, if you open them, they have hardwired points to trigger a larger wired system.

Also handy for a travel alarm, Way back in the 90s I Sold a few to a gentleman who nearly lost his laptop while he slept at a highrise hotel. The balconies were easy access, and few people lock sliding glass doors that high up in the air.
 
I have had an alarm system installed in my home for year's; as has other
families in my area. These systems "go off" so frequently, that the local
PD no longer responses too these type of calls. Better yet, I had a series
of "security iron doors" installed; and placed a couple of "land sharks" in
my back 40. They [the dogs] are the best alarm system a family can have
IMPO~! They can roam the "back 40", and attack an intruder within just
a few seconds, after a perp has breeched other security measures. But,
all in all- its damn hard too beat a good firearm; if one is home alone~! ;)
 
I ditched the land line a couple years ago, so the alarm relies solely on the cell module to communicate with the monitoring center.

My main reason for installing an alarm system was fire/water protection while the house is empty. My insurance company gave me a 15% discount off homeowners for having the system, so it basically pays for itself.

Personal safety wise, I see it as just another layer of security. I'm a heavy sleeper and don't know if I would awaken from the sound of someone breaking a window on the other side of the house. I figure the alarm will at least wake me up and let me know that something is amiss.
 
My alarm system is primarily insurance for fire and hopefully the police. I now live out in a rural area (previously from the big cities-LA, Houston, Denver...) and found out that even if I called 911, on one occasion, the cops never came. In Houston my sole 911 call did not produce the police! Now the second time the alarm went off at my current location without me there, I beat the cop to my house-and I was 35 min. away! So my real use is to alarm me when my family and I are inside asleep so we can circle the wagons until the cavalry can come, if they come. It's the whole self reliance thing. I've also got a big dog-inside as another deterrent.
 
I installed a hard wired alarm system in our previous home in Stone Mountain. Placed magnetic sensors on all the outside doors and windows on the lower level. Also installed glass break sensors and a motion detector. The siren was mounted at the attic near the vent in order to get good neighborhood audio coverage. It's not that hard to do. They're user programmable.

We didn't have it monitored until I got a multi-year deal from ADT. If nothing else, it's great for peace of mind. I recommend it be intentionally set off once a month to make sure the monitoring service is on the ball.
 
you can set it up with a dialer or even a cellphone dialler/pager to call you first or second after the police...then your wife...ect ect. A basic alarm system with a dialer like that costs you nothing once you install it...if you go wireless backup there is usually a monitoring service but if you really search you can find addons to backup a basic dialler with a cellphone based dialer...but there again the additional line is going to probably cost you $10 on your family cell plan. But a hard-wired phone dialler system is cheap and simple. Most crooks don't bother cutting phone lines anymore anyway....most decent modern alarm systems go off or call in a wireless alert as soon as the phone line is cut anyway.
 
Alarm question?

Can anyone relate a FIRST HAND experience of a HOME alarm system being the reason the BG was caught or run off?

Good info here, but it seems everyone is defending what they have, but I haven't read any info here about any system that actually worked.

Sorry, don't mean to high jack this thread.
 
-1 on dogs in the backyard. Our neighbors all have dogs. They bark at everything including eachother. Kind of like the car alarms that nobody pays attention to anymore.

Dog inside the home is a different story. Great early warning system.
 
safes are good, monitored alarm systems are essential. Mine cost about $800 to install and have added another $600 in upgrades. monitoring is $250 per year and my insurance company gives me about a $210/year credit.
I have the same system on a commercial building I own and it went off at 2am one morning, police arrived in 2.5 minutes and the perp was in custody when I got there in under 15 minutes.
oh, and my gun safe is included in my alarm system if anyone tries to open or move my safe. its got an alarm zone by itself. Never overlook layered security. I've been tweaking mine for 15 years and I'll continue. My wife worried about intruders when she was home- she doesn't care if they steal stuff as long as we are safe. I worried about low-lifes stealing stuff when we are away and figure I can deal with the threats when I'm home. We both value good sleep. With layered security, 2 large dogs, and the means to defend ourselves, we sleep pretty good.
 
Can anyone relate a FIRST HAND experience of a HOME alarm system being the reason the BG was caught or run off?
It stands to reason that with a monitored system, the BG must (a) run off in the 15-20 minutes it takes the police to be called and get there or (b) get caught.

I can relate one first hand experience. The alarm went off at 2 AM. The monitoring company, ADT, called within seconds. I said (very stupidly) I expect it's a false alarm, let me go check. Well, a minute or so later, I found that the pedestrian door to the garage had been opened and that was what set the alarm off. By this time, there were police cars arriving in the street as a neighbor had reported seeing people coming out of her garage a few minutes earlier. Presumably the thieves entered my garage not realizing they had been seen leaving hers and my alarm had scared them off. I was really stupid to make the assumption it was a false alarm -- I should have made the opposite assumption in the interests of safety.

I also value my alarm system when I'm in the house as it would provide me with an immediate warning if anyone entered by a door or window. If someone comes in by a door, it beeps continuously and alerts the monitoring company and sets off the sirens if the correct code is not entered within 30 seconds. If someone comes in by a window, the sirens go off and the monitoring company is alerted immediately.

I also like the blue button that when pressed instructs the monitoring company to summon the police immediately - an alternative to dialling 911. This could be used for example if one hears someone attempting to break in but they have not yet set off the alarm. (There are other buttons for fire and ambulance.)

With the alarm system activated when I'm at home, in the event of an intruder, I know I can focus on responding to the intruder rather than on calling the police because the alarm system will take of that for me.

There is no question in my mind based on armchair logic and on my one experience that alarm systems work.
 
The most effective alarm I ever came into contact with, after responding to about 100 alarms as a cop, was in an electronics store. I found the back door slightly ajar, entered a very dimmly lit sales floor with flashlight to see if the store had been broken into. About half way down an isle I hit a trip wire with my legs....and a fire department type siren went off!!! You could hear it for blocks, and I damn near had a heart attack.

All it was, was a very thin wire stretched across the isle with a small piece of wood attached holding two spring-loaded contacs apart. When the wire was tripped and the piece of wood pulled out, contact was made and all hell broke loose!

It must have taken me 5 minutes to find the trip wire in the dark and figure out how to shut the siren off.

I don't know where the owner got the siren, but it was huge and deafening inside (and outside) that store.
 
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If you can find one used... a Federal Q is the heat where sirens are concerned.

http://www.projectresponder.com/q-siren~47.htm

lpl
People routinely ignore sirens and alarms going off. If my house is burgled in the night, the sirens on my ADT system are fairly quiet and turn themselves off after a while anyway --their purpose is not so much as to wake up the neighborhood (who would probably take no notice anyway) but to wake me and my local police force. Through real and false alarms, I have no doubt that the system works.
 
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ADT sux

i used to have ADT, but after numerous times of my alarm going off and not receiving so much as a phone call, i dropped them and went with broadview. my contract had been over for years so there was no penalty. ADT did not even call me to let me know they haven't been recevieng a signal from my ouse in months. they are supposed to test it daily, and call you if the signal doesn't go through.

so far, my broadview has gone off once (false alarm), and the police were contacted within 30 seconds.
 
duns,

In the application Texmex mentioned, I can with that absolute confidence born of experience assure you that no one who is not completely deaf already will be able to ignore being shut up in a room with a functioning Federal Q. I've been there... we used to have them on a couple of the fire trucks in the VFD I once served with.

lpl
 
dogs for security

If the boogie men show up at our house and break in, we have an 18 mo. old Golden Retriever that will greet them with his tail wagging and hand them a tennis ball...... :)

My dog is my pet....

Physical security is my job, not his.
 
Broadview just bought ADT...

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ADT sux
i used to have ADT, but after numerous times of my alarm going off and not receiving so much as a phone call, i dropped them and went with broadview. my contract had been over for years so there was no penalty. ADT did not even call me to let me know they haven't been recevieng a signal from my ouse in months. they are supposed to test it daily, and call you if the signal doesn't go through.

so far, my broadview has gone off once (false alarm), and the police were contacted within 30 seconds.
 
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