Alert---new york gun owners!

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[NYSRPA-alert] Need push to keep S-4397A off the floor!

Everybody needs to make a final push to keep the microstamping bill
off the Senate floor or after January 1, 2011, no sale or transfer
from any dealer or manufacturer of any pistol made after 1/1/2011 to
anyone in New York. They don't just want it on the firing pin, it
must be stamped on at least two places on each spent case.

Monday morning start calling *all* the Senators on this list.

Pataki AWB supporters:

Charles Fuschillo (R-8), 518-455-3341
Kemp Hannon (R-6), 518-455-2200
Owen Johnson (R-4), 518-455-3411
Kenneth LaValle (R-1), 518-455-3121
Vincent Leibell (R-40), 518-455-3111
Carl Marcellino (R-5), 518-455-2390
Thomas Morahan (R-38), 518-455-3261
Frank Padavan (R-11), 518-455-3381
Dean Skelos (R-9), 518-455-3171

Plus:

John Flanagan (R-2), 518-455-2071
Martin Golden (R-22), 518-455-2730
Andrew Lanza (R-24), 518-455-3215

Jacob J. Rieper, Vice President of Legislative & Political Affairs
New York State Rifle & Pistol Association
http://www.nysrpa.org
http://www.nysrpa-pvf.org
 
PLEASE you folks in NYC call and advise that this is a pointless exercise in feel good legislation that will change nothing and cost citizens lives. The WORST thing in the world for police and their insurance companies is to know EXACTLY who fire what round and the rough sequence.

I can see personal lawsuits going through the roof.
 
This might change things:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/09/nyregion/09

June 9, 2009
G.O.P. Regains Control of New York State Senate
By DANNY HAKIM and JEREMY W. PETERS

ALBANY — The Democrats’ tenuous control of the New York State Senate abruptly collapsed on Monday, throwing the Legislature into chaos with just two weeks remaining in its session.

Two dissident Democrats, who had been secretly strategizing with Republicans for weeks, bucked their party’s leaders and joined with 30 Republican senators to form what they said would be a bipartisan power-sharing deal. But the arrangement effectively re-establishes Republican control.

The change upends the agenda in Albany, where Democrats had assumed power in the Senate in January, with 32 seats, after more than 40 years in the minority. Democrats were pushing bills to give tenants more rights, strengthen abortion rights and legalize same-sex marriage this session. And the move underscores the continuing tumult of New York politics, where there have been three governors in less than three years and four Senate presidents since last summer.

Democratic leaders were caught off guard as the Republicans and the two Democratic dissidents, Pedro Espada Jr. of the Bronx and Hiram Monserrate of Queens, moved to topple them, and at one point became so flustered that they turned out the lights in the Senate chamber to try to prevent Republicans from installing new leaders.

Asked by a reporter what was occurring, Senator Malcolm A. Smith, leader of the Senate Democrats who was huddled in the hall with his staff, responded, “I’m trying to find out right now.”

A spokesman for Mr. Smith, who lost the titles of majority leader and Senate president in the shakeup, issued a statement later saying that Democrats would challenge the vote, but it was not clear that they had grounds to do so.

Gov. David A. Paterson, at a news conference Monday evening, called the move “an outrage” and said Albany had become a “dysfunctional wreck.”

The governor also said “I will not allow this,” but then conceded that there was nothing he could do to stop it.

The toppling of Democratic control unfolded in swift and dramatic fashion shortly after 3 p.m. as senators gathered in the lofty oaken chamber for what seemed like small-bore legislative action on an uneventful afternoon.

Then, Senator Tom Libous, a Binghamton Republican, offered a resolution to reorganize the Senate leadership, a parliamentary maneuver that captured the entire Capitol’s attention. Within minutes, reporters, staff members and Assembly members rushed to the Senate, crowding the chamber floor.

Democrats tried to stall the move, storming from the chamber and turning out the lights, but the Republicans continued the session as the two Democrats joined with them to elect new leaders.

Quickly and without a numerical majority, Dean G. Skelos, a Long Island Republican, reclaimed the title of Senate majority leader. Mr. Espada was made Senate president.

Both Mr. Espada and Mr. Monserrate said they would remain Democrats even as they work with Republicans to run the Senate.

Both men have legal troubles. Highlighting the often elastic nature of ethical stands and alliances in Albany, Republicans who earlier this year were calling on Mr. Monserrate to resign after his indictment on felony charges that he stabbed his companion with a broken glass are now welcoming him as part of their power-sharing coalition.

Asked about the reversal, Mr. Skelos said, “He’s an elected member, and the reforms are more important.”

Mr. Espada has been fined tens of thousands of dollars over several years for flouting state law by not disclosing political contributions.

The state attorney general’s office is also investigating the Soundview HealthCare Network, a nonprofit organization that Mr. Espada ran until recently.

The new leadership structure means that Mr. Espada would become governor if Gov. David Paterson were incapacitated.

Mr. Espada, who is the first Latino Senate president, called his ascension “a sobering moment.” He predicted that other Democrats would decide to join the coalition, saying there is broad frustration with Mr. Smith’s leadership.

“Frustration was obviously building,” he said later, in an interview. “There was little prospect for change on a number of fronts. We experienced five months of the budget process and the absolute lack of transparency and the hypocrisy, and the rhetoric grew too much for me.”

But money also played a major role. Mr. Espada said he was angered that a top aide to Mr. Smith had threatened to hold up his legislative earmarks, known as member items.

Mr. Smith, at a news conference Monday night, argued that the Senate had adjourned when the Republicans took power — both sides argued the procedural fine points of what took place — and insisted that “the Senate majority is still in Democratic hands.”

“I’m not going to have this institution, which is a very proud institution, be demeaned in a manner like this,” Mr. Smith said. But Mr. Smith’s support appeared shaky; at least half a dozen Democrats did not attend his news conference.

After installing their leaders, Republicans enacted a series of rules reforms, including six-year term limits for the president and majority leader, steps to equalize the budgets of the majority and minority parties and mandating that pork barrel projects would be distributed equally among members of both parties.

The changes were pushed by Tom Golisano, the Rochester billionaire who spent heavily in the 2008 Senate election to elect members he believed were committed to a more open Albany. But he felt betrayed that Senate Democrats didn’t act more boldly when they took over in January.

Mr. Skelos said his legislative priorities would include resolving whether Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg could retain control over the city school system, reforming property taxes and reissuing property tax rebate checks that had been eliminated by Mr. Paterson and lawmakers in budget negotiations earlier this year.

He said he had not discussed with Mr. Espada whether they would bring the same-sex marriage bill to a vote.

Mr. Skelos has said he opposes same-sex marriage, but Mr. Espada is one of the co-sponsors of the legislation, which has been one of the most closely watched issues this session.

Republicans almost kept control of the Senate after the November election by courting Mr. Espada and two other dissident Democrats, Carl Kruger of Brooklyn and Rubén Díaz Sr. of the Bronx. Neither man left the chamber with the other Democrats on Monday while Republicans took power.

Mr. Kruger was noncommittal when he was asked whether he would consider joining Mr. Espada.

“It’s very early to talk about that right now,” he said. “Everybody has to take a deep breath.”

Mr. Golisano, who played a central role in brokering the deal, recently announced that he was moving his legal residence to Florida out of anger about the budget deal crafted in April by Democratic leaders in Albany, which included an increase in taxes on high earners.

Appearing at a news conference with Mr. Skelos and Mr. Espada, he said talks had been underway for several weeks.

“We went to work about 60 days ago,” he said.

The shake-up most likely means that Republicans will take over the chairmanships of most of the Senate’s committees. Staff members, whose jobs often depend on which party is in power, were trying to assess the impact of the switch Monday night.

Nicholas Confessore contributed reporting.

They only have two weeks to go in this session, and they're in a virtual lockdown. How the individual senators would vote might be a moot point: at this point, it's likely that the anti-gun legislation (microstamping, 5-year pistol permit limits, ammo purchase limits, etc.) will never even make it to the floor.
 
toivo said:
This might change things

It might, but there's a good chance that it won't. NYSRPA sent out this message today:

*Everybody* needs to keep calling the Senate. There are new rules governing how this bipartisan coalition is supposed to work and one of them is the "petition for consideration" which would allow a majority of members to petition a bill be put on the floor the next session day. Eric Schneiderman said he had the votes to pass his microstamping bill so there were at least 3 Republican Senators willing to go along with it."
 
also the bill was put on the schedule before the whole coup so it's still on the docket so to speak
 
WinchesterAA said:
What is the significance of these circumstances?

Which circumstances - the ones with the major shift in the leadership of the Senate, or the ones around the microstamping bill? If you're asking about the former: basically the Senate (which has been Republican controlled for the last 40 years) shifted to Democratic control after the last election, and as the majority party they proceeded to put on the docket a bunch of things that they wanted to pass, including the microstamping bill and a bunch of other anti-gun bills. They were wielding their newfound power pretty strongly - it was to the point where the leaders of the Senate weren't allowing any bills to come forward that they didn't approve of, and that they weren't sure were going to pass.

Then, two days ago, the Republicans convinced two Democrats to join with them to form a coalition of 32 members, which then gave them the power to vote in a new majority leader and new president of the Senate. With a vote of 32-30, this was accomplished, and the whole system was thrown into chaos. Last night the Democrats literally locked the doors of the Senate chambers, and today the Republicans threatened to hold a session on the lawn if necessary, with Democrats asserting that such a session wouldn't have the force of law. News is saying now that Democrats are seeking a court injunction to end the Republican control, saying that the vote was held improperly.

None of this may end up having any effect on the microstamping legislation, however, because proponents of the bill have asserted that they have the votes to pass it. If they're making that assertion, that means they have at least 32 people willing to vote yes, which means they also have enough people to bring the measure to the floor, using the procedure mentioned above. Also as mentioned above, the microstamping legislation was "on the docket" before all this craziness took place, so it might come to the floor automatically anyway. We'll see, however, whether this bill is important enough to warrant being brought up in the remaining days of the session, or if it will get pushed aside.

Albany is all in a tizzy. I almost want to go down to the state house just to watch everyone running around all crazy-like. :) It keeps everyone on their toes to have a bizarre procedural occurrence like this from time to time.
 
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