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why would you waste all that money? spend your money on a really good 22. they have always been. the most over rated 22 ever built. IMO. what a racket. ruger has. they will never improve the 10/22 like Rem. did to the 597. When people keep buying them and spending more money to make them shoot better. hell if i was rugers marketing man. i would make the gun worse. and make more aftermarket parts to sell to every one. WHAT A RACKET
Winston_Smith
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Just buy the cheapest one you can find. You will eventually just keep the receiver.
My next one will be built without any Ruger parts.
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=247901&highlight=receiver
My next one will be built without any Ruger parts.
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=247901&highlight=receiver
CajunBass
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I'm a fan of the 10/22, but if I was going to "build" one, I'd look for the cheapest, most beat up one I could find. If I couldn't find one like that, it wouldn't make a bit of difference which one I got.
I'll keep looking for the really nice DSP ones though. An international is high on the list.
I'll keep looking for the really nice DSP ones though. An international is high on the list.
ever notice how everything is not as good as it used to be? been hearing that about remington, winchester, marlin, factory ammo, load manuals, etc etc etc...
nothing wrong w/ a ruger 10-22 if that is what floats your boat...
nothing wrong w/ a ruger 10-22 if that is what floats your boat...
walker944
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For some of us who may not have paid a lot of attention to the Ruger 10/22, what are some of the problems that cause folks to replace the factory parts? I bought one about a year ago, and have not noticed any problems (other than with aftermarket large capacity magazines with plastic lips). What other issues are there? Just curious.
railroader
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A couple improvements would be better accuracy and a better trigger pull. Other nice add ons would be an extended mag release and a auto bolt release. This last two items make the rifle easier to operate. Mark
Damn near everything is wrong with it if your standards aren't really low, hence the huge aftermarket.
The new ones have plastic trigger groups, though I am not convinced that is "worse." My 22/45 is a hell of a great pistol.
The wood on the new ones is not as nice as it once was, but who cares? You'll be throwing the stock in the trash anyway when you get your new barrel -- which you will, since most 10/22s shoot patterns, not groups (with a few exceptions: some people have gotten lucky with one rifle).
As much as I think 10/22s suck, I don't know that they suck any worse, on average, than they ever did.
I sold mine. I don't usually empty my wallet into the toilet, so I couldn't see keeping it.
People complain about the price of the scary-accurate, top-quality CZ 452 or the machined-steel, takedown, checkered walnut, accurate and fun Marlin 39, but then they go and pour that money into a 10/22 on top of the purchase price. Not me.
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I have 3 - picked up on of the new ones around Easter this year. A 20"/hogue/3-9x target setup, a krinkerplinker/redot setup, and a thumbhole/tacticalinc bbl hunting setup.
IMO, the newer ones' plastic trigger group is much better than the older group with much less wobble, lighter, and a tighter fit of all the pieces in there. I liked it so much that i bought a factory-trigger group for my krinker - for 30odd bucks it's a lot cheaper than the volquartsen trigger group on my target setup...
If you're building everything up, I'd definitely get a Nodac Spuds receiver, and add on from there. Integral rail is key for a high-end 10/22 setup.
http://www.nodakspud.com/NDS-22.htm
The cost will be comparable with a factory carbine, and why buy that stuff just to junk it?
IMO, the newer ones' plastic trigger group is much better than the older group with much less wobble, lighter, and a tighter fit of all the pieces in there. I liked it so much that i bought a factory-trigger group for my krinker - for 30odd bucks it's a lot cheaper than the volquartsen trigger group on my target setup...
If you're building everything up, I'd definitely get a Nodac Spuds receiver, and add on from there. Integral rail is key for a high-end 10/22 setup.
http://www.nodakspud.com/NDS-22.htm
The cost will be comparable with a factory carbine, and why buy that stuff just to junk it?
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Fact is the 10/22 was a great seller long before there was any aftermarket products available. The days long ago when I first fired a 10/22 there was nothing that could be bought to upgrade anything yet shooters were still buying them.
Nobody moans and gripes about the 1911 pistol and AR aftermarket yet many have a cow when someone wants to upgrade their 10/22 to their liking.
The 10/22 allows the owner to practically perform any upgrade themselves.Mike_in_OC
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"Waste all that money?"
Last I checked the 10/22 provided quite a lot of bang for the buck. People who diss the 10/22 are the ones who have spent more money on other .22 and are trying to justify it.....
Last I checked the 10/22 provided quite a lot of bang for the buck. People who diss the 10/22 are the ones who have spent more money on other .22 and are trying to justify it.....
Nope.
I bought a 10/22. It really sucked. It was inaccurate, it stovepiped, the stock geometry was lousy.
I sold it, then bought other guns.
I don't "have a cow" because the aftermarket exists. LOL been a while since I heard that phrase.
I don't care for the 10/22 because I wouldn't want one without all the stuff added on to it. It was downright unpleasant to shoot.
The Marlin 60 I bought on a whim is FAR more accurate, FAR more reliable, and it was a good deal cheaper. As an added bonus, the stock geometry (standard stock, which is laminate) works well for me, with a scope, too.
Yes, I have more expensive .22 rifles now -- that has nothing to do with my 10/22 experience. I have an old Mossberg semiauto .22 that shoots so much better than the Ruger, it's not even funny. I think it was 80 bucks new when the 10/22 sold for $110. My mistake was thinking that the Ruger would be an improvement, since the old gun didn't feed all ammo as well as I liked. The Ruger didn't feed any better, but shot a lot worse.
I actually like a lot of Rugers. I really like the Mini-14, even. I shoot matches with a Ruger .22 semiauto pistol. And it has aftermarket and gunsmith improvements. But it DIDN'T NEED THAT to be a damn good pistol. The 10/22 needs to have most of its parts thrown out, to be an acceptable rifle.
If it were 100 bucks, it'd be worth buying. At today's prices, I'd skip it and just buy an aftermarket 10/22-design receiver and build a nice gun around it, if you want to do that.
I bought a 10/22. It really sucked. It was inaccurate, it stovepiped, the stock geometry was lousy.
I sold it, then bought other guns.
I don't "have a cow" because the aftermarket exists. LOL been a while since I heard that phrase.
I don't care for the 10/22 because I wouldn't want one without all the stuff added on to it. It was downright unpleasant to shoot.
The Marlin 60 I bought on a whim is FAR more accurate, FAR more reliable, and it was a good deal cheaper. As an added bonus, the stock geometry (standard stock, which is laminate) works well for me, with a scope, too.
Yes, I have more expensive .22 rifles now -- that has nothing to do with my 10/22 experience. I have an old Mossberg semiauto .22 that shoots so much better than the Ruger, it's not even funny. I think it was 80 bucks new when the 10/22 sold for $110. My mistake was thinking that the Ruger would be an improvement, since the old gun didn't feed all ammo as well as I liked. The Ruger didn't feed any better, but shot a lot worse.
I actually like a lot of Rugers. I really like the Mini-14, even. I shoot matches with a Ruger .22 semiauto pistol. And it has aftermarket and gunsmith improvements. But it DIDN'T NEED THAT to be a damn good pistol. The 10/22 needs to have most of its parts thrown out, to be an acceptable rifle.
If it were 100 bucks, it'd be worth buying. At today's prices, I'd skip it and just buy an aftermarket 10/22-design receiver and build a nice gun around it, if you want to do that.
coosbaycreep
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I've owned 4 newer 10/22s, and none of them have been as reliable or well made as the older ones I've seen or shot. I still think they're worth the money though, simply because they're accurate and reliable enough for me, and the fact that they take detachable mags and can be customized more than any other gun more than makes up for their shortcomings.
If I ever get the money together and don't blow it on a new gun first, I plan on wasting $600-$800 on one of mine to make it how I want it.
If I ever get the money together and don't blow it on a new gun first, I plan on wasting $600-$800 on one of mine to make it how I want it.
420Stainless
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10/22's are fine. Might be a few lemons out there, but mine and all the others I've shot have been very accurate and reliable. Mine functions flawlessly even with the el cheapo ramline high cap mags that came with it. I bought it from a friend over 20 years ago to use for squirrel hunting and haven't ever found a need to upgrade it or find a more accurate one. I didn't even want a .22, but fortunately he talked me into it. Mine came with a good walnut stock and no barrel band. Perhaps others are more accurate, but one dead squirrel per pull of the trigger is good enough for my needs. I must admit that the basic version is not the prettiest rimfire around. I'm not sure I've ever seen a low budget rifle that I thought was sexy. My son's Henry is beautiful, but cost quite a bit more than a 10/22 and doesn't out shoot my Ruger.
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my dad bought one 25-30 years ago, and Ive put thousands of rounds down the pipe without it ever jamming one single time. I just assumed all other 10/22s were like that which would have explained why they are so popular.
I have four 10/22's in various states and think they are great firearms. From the target 10/22T and Ruger Race Rifle to my lightweight 10/22 all weather and Charger, they are functional, reliable, accurate, .22's. Plenty of upgrades are available to make a great product better.
For those looking for aftermarket magazines, I'd recommend the TI25 mags from Tactical innovations. They are expensive ($25 for polycarb, $45 for composite, $75 for aluminum), but feed well and are adjustable. Plus you can take them apart to clean them, which should give them a longer life than the Butler Creek mags that I've since turned into targets once they began to jam.
To answer the original question: The newest 10/22's have a plastic trigger housing and a different finish (bead blast on stainless, crinkle paint on the blued). The trigger group makes the firearm harder to dissassemble as the pins bind more, but now has an extended mag release. IMHO, the finish is ugly especially on the target versions, and on the stainless, which now resemble auto primer instead of the polished metal of old. You can still find the older version at some stores (my local Gander Mtn has some models left) and they are easy to spot, by the lack of extended mag release and polished barrels.
For those looking for aftermarket magazines, I'd recommend the TI25 mags from Tactical innovations. They are expensive ($25 for polycarb, $45 for composite, $75 for aluminum), but feed well and are adjustable. Plus you can take them apart to clean them, which should give them a longer life than the Butler Creek mags that I've since turned into targets once they began to jam.
To answer the original question: The newest 10/22's have a plastic trigger housing and a different finish (bead blast on stainless, crinkle paint on the blued). The trigger group makes the firearm harder to dissassemble as the pins bind more, but now has an extended mag release. IMHO, the finish is ugly especially on the target versions, and on the stainless, which now resemble auto primer instead of the polished metal of old. You can still find the older version at some stores (my local Gander Mtn has some models left) and they are easy to spot, by the lack of extended mag release and polished barrels.
wally
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I just got the "new" 10/22 Tactical, the one with the factory installed Tapco Interfuse stock. Other than the plastic trigger, for me its better than the ones I got about 15 years ago. Its been 100% with all the high capacity 10/22 mags I have (Butler Creek, Ramline, Eagle, Shooter's Ridge) whereas neither of the older ones would go two mags without a jam until I replaced the extractor with a Volquarten "Exact Edge". Changing barrel and stock will not change the reliability. See this thread for what I did with one of mine when I wanted better accuracy: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=131138
--wally.
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Uh, I paid $150 bucks 10 years ago for one at a pawn shop. Never put a dime into it and shoot the cheapest ammo I can find. At 50 yards on a bench I can put an entire clip into a 1/2 inch hole at 50 yards. I don't feel the need to spend another $200 in useless accessories.
Isn't that one of Bart Simpson's favorites?
Several cars come to mind that fall into the same category. Go figure.
Seriously, near as I can figure it's because of all the aftermarket parts that are made for them. They can be turned into a nice rifle, but it takes a great deal of money to achieve this. There are many other (cheaper) rifles on the market that will out perform it right out of the box.
the only issues that ive had with them is that for some reason the mags only come out easily if the barrel is perfectly horizontal or perfectly perpindicular to the ground. Other wise they jam.
The stocks could have a slightly different shape to the butt. Just never falled into the shoulder like a 70 yearold milsurp does.
Other wise they are pretty good for the money.
The stocks could have a slightly different shape to the butt. Just never falled into the shoulder like a 70 yearold milsurp does.
Other wise they are pretty good for the money.
I've got one that I hunt with. Its ok. The stock barrel was nothing great but worked for squirrel in the woods. I went with a bull barrel from GM when they sold their seconds. I think I paid $20 shipped for it. It holds about MOA at 50 yards with fairly cheap ammo. I bought a new trigger for it which is great for hunting but mediocre for bench work. The stock trigger sucked. I also put a new stock on it that rides the bags better. It was an ok range gun but the CZ's out shoot it with every ammo type I try. In the woods its fine but it is far from my favorite range rifle even after the work done to it. The only thing it does fairly well is with a red dot it makes for a fairly quick bowling pin rifle. I'm not sure most other semi auto 22's wouldn't do just as well though. For the price out of the box it is a bit of a disappointment personally. It was what I started with and it was fine to start but since I have shot some other .22 rifles I really have lost interest in the 10-22. I feel the model 60 is a much better hunting rifle. It balances better to me and compared to the bull barreled 10-22 I have is much friendlier to carry for an afternoon in the field. If I had the option to get my money out of the rifle and invest into a different .22 I would without hesitation. Problem is I don't think I will get anywhere near my money back so it is what it is.
I have a stainless, laminate one made in the 80's I think. I know it's limits but it's fine for rodents and is perfectly reliable. I can't say I've ever gone past 75 yards except at the range a few times. If it's farther than that from my house, it's on somebody elses property. I really have no desire for a target .22 but if I did there are definately cheaper ways to get there than starting with a 10/22.
longdayjake
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wow so much anger. All I can say is that I have shot several .22 rifles including most of the ones sold today. A few were unreliable but the 10/22 is still going strong. Of course I had to fix some issues that the previous owner caused in the trigger grouping but the action itself was fine. Mine was $125 because the owner put a trigger spring in backwards and thought it was a piece of crap. Everytime I hear stories of people hating their 10/22's I think of my "cheap junk" that has yet to fail me since I put it together right.
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