Garandimal
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"Quick, Mr. Peabody... to the WABAC Machine..."
I weep for our Country.
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I weep for our Country.
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All My Remington Rifles and Shotguns...
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Waitin' for the Roundhill Group, LLC swing at Craftsmanship.
[Not_holdin'_breath]
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Alaskan Ironworker
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I really enjoyed watching that.
Pretty well sums it up, and from self inflicted wounds.
Remington has been circling the drain for at least 60 years. Nothing really new or innovative since the 1100 shotgun and 7mm Rem mag cartridge. The 700 was a step backwards in firearms design. Poor management decisions and cutting too many corners led to untold millions of dollars in lawsuit settlements and lawyer fees going back to the 1950's. Money they couldn't use for research and development and quality control.
Various attempts have been made with CPR and other life saving techniques to keep them alive, but it is time to make the call.
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I disagree on the 700 since it and it's clones are the most widely used target actions probably ever.. But I saddened by the demise of Remington. I have a slim hope that someone will actually try to make it a great gun company again. But I am afraid the new owners, being takeover types are going to cheapen products even more and milk every dollar out. Wait a minute, this is a rerun of the last movie.
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All mine-
Pretty easy, since I only have the 2.
Pretty easy, since I only have the 2.
mcb
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I don't think the firearms market's US customers would not tolerate an "Elon Musk". A "Musk" like player in the firearms market would not give you the next AR or Glock but something completely outside of expectations. The US market wants faithful reproductions of existing guns or derivative improvements to existing proven designs. A "Musk" like character would do anything but that. They would be as likely to offer a beam weapon or particle projector as they are a solid-fuel slug-thrower.
And from one of my favorite books: "Take a blaster Tanya", said Schneider without looking up from his own preparation. "More chance you will hit something with it anyway. Slug throwers are for fashion victims." -Bonus points if you can name the book.
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mcb
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I dunno, Gaston was kinda like Elon. JMB could be considered the Musk of his day too, I suppose.
I dont recognize the quote, but PM me. Odds are Ive read it and Ill smack myself for not remembering.
Maybe, I not sure the use of polymer frames are quiet as revolutionary as some of the stuff Musk has done. IMHO it was not a disruptive as the stuff as Musk as done.
CoalCrackerAl
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Good video thanks for posting.
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earlthegoat2
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I am not exactly disagreeing here but the 700 was developed to be less expensive to manufacture than its predecessor, the 721/722 which was also itself a development to cut costs on the primary model before that. In other words, it was cheapened. It came out in 1962. Not coincidentally, an inexpensive model model made by Savage came out in 1958. The Model 110. I’m sure this had a little to do with the 700 being developed.
It also just so happened that not long after this, the US got involved in a war that led to the development of sniper programs in our military. The Remington 700 happened to be around at the time and happened to come out on top as a military sniper rifle. So goes the military. So goes firearms development.
berettaprofessor
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I gave up on Remington after the R51 fiasco
MachIVshooter
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An utterly worthless comment made for no good reason that comes off as quite hostile.
That was a great how-it's-made clip.
I hate to see Remington go, but like a lot of companies I think they'd been gutted and the recent vulture owners were wearing the carcass as a skin suit trying to make money off the name and reputation. That's how it's gone with sooo many once-great American companies. Private equity or venture capital buys it, milks it to death by cutting costs until the (now China-made) product sucks, live as long as possible off of the reputation that was earned back in the day (like in the Remington video above), get rich and get out, leaving behind the carcass of the company.
Regarding Remington, I like several of their guns but only have a 1950 model 121 Fieldmaster (the exact one was the first non-BB-gun I ever shot) and a 1974 3200. Even if Remington was still in business, it's unlikely that they'd be making anything that I want to buy these days. VERY few gun makers do. Other than some CZs, almost all of my guns were built from from the early 1950s to the early 1980s. And (aside from some CZs) essentially every gun that's been on my watchlist on GB for the past few years has been from the same era.
I hate to see Remington go, but like a lot of companies I think they'd been gutted and the recent vulture owners were wearing the carcass as a skin suit trying to make money off the name and reputation. That's how it's gone with sooo many once-great American companies. Private equity or venture capital buys it, milks it to death by cutting costs until the (now China-made) product sucks, live as long as possible off of the reputation that was earned back in the day (like in the Remington video above), get rich and get out, leaving behind the carcass of the company.
Regarding Remington, I like several of their guns but only have a 1950 model 121 Fieldmaster (the exact one was the first non-BB-gun I ever shot) and a 1974 3200. Even if Remington was still in business, it's unlikely that they'd be making anything that I want to buy these days. VERY few gun makers do. Other than some CZs, almost all of my guns were built from from the early 1950s to the early 1980s. And (aside from some CZs) essentially every gun that's been on my watchlist on GB for the past few years has been from the same era.
Alaskan Ironworker
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Remington is no more dead than Winchester is. Im glad Winchester was revived by FN, Im sure something similar will happen to Remington. Its sad to see one of America’s great gun manufacturers reduced to the topic of an internet argument, even if Im not a fan of their products. Market competition aside, we are all on the same team.
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I have never owned a model 700 or an 870. Go figure. I just liked other brands better as remingtons never fit me well. I did have one of the new model 750 in 35 Whelen that I really liked right up until I traded it for a Mannlicher Schoenauer model 1905. I am saddened to see them go as they were America’s original gun makers. Only remington I currently own is a model 14 in 30 remington that is 100 years old but shoots straight and fits me like a glove. I hope whoever ends up making guns under the remington name refocuses on quality first and gets back to building guns we can be proud to own.
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My Dad has a 34 that I used to cull the woodchuck population and filled the larder with Squirrels. Great little rifle and very accurate.
Trey Veston
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My grandfather was a Remington man. He grew up as the son of German immigrants to Wisconsin in the 1900's. He grew up in Peshtago, WI, dirt poor, but loved the outdoors.
He ran a trap line as a teen and young man in the 1930's with his Remington Speedmaster .22 Short as his companion. It was used to dispatch the critters in his traps and to shoot small game for food. He chose a firearm chambered in .22 Short, because it was the cheapest to buy ammo for, according to my dad.
Grandpa would ride the railroad to service his trap line and he had many colorful stories of the hobos he met while riding the rails, all while clutching a small canvas pack and his Remington.
I now own that rifle...
His next firearm he purchased was a Remington shotgun patterned after the Browning A5 12ga. I also own that firearm...
He purchased his shotgun after migrating to Idaho in the 1940's and taking up duck and pheasant hunting. For deer, elk, moose, and bear hunting out in the West, he purchased a Remington semi-auto in .30-06. My dad still has it, but I suspect I will be handed down the last of my grandfather's rifles within the next year or so.
Funny how I never really warmed up to Remingtons. My dad was a Winchester man since nearly all his rifles were Model 70s. I owned a smattering of everything over the years, and the only Remington I bought was my R1 1911.
He ran a trap line as a teen and young man in the 1930's with his Remington Speedmaster .22 Short as his companion. It was used to dispatch the critters in his traps and to shoot small game for food. He chose a firearm chambered in .22 Short, because it was the cheapest to buy ammo for, according to my dad.
Grandpa would ride the railroad to service his trap line and he had many colorful stories of the hobos he met while riding the rails, all while clutching a small canvas pack and his Remington.
I now own that rifle...
His next firearm he purchased was a Remington shotgun patterned after the Browning A5 12ga. I also own that firearm...
He purchased his shotgun after migrating to Idaho in the 1940's and taking up duck and pheasant hunting. For deer, elk, moose, and bear hunting out in the West, he purchased a Remington semi-auto in .30-06. My dad still has it, but I suspect I will be handed down the last of my grandfather's rifles within the next year or so.
Funny how I never really warmed up to Remingtons. My dad was a Winchester man since nearly all his rifles were Model 70s. I owned a smattering of everything over the years, and the only Remington I bought was my R1 1911.
dh1633pm
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The sincerest form of flattery is to copy. The 700 has been copied by many and will continue to do so. Remington may be down, but I wouldn't consider them out.
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