Alright guys...just picture this.

[KarateHottie93]

An S&W 327 in 327.

As a man with a TRR8, I could get behind something like this. Obviously it will never happen because 327 is a dead round, but it would be great.

Obviously 327 is significantly better out of longer barrels. That's no different than most revolver cartridges though. Even out of a snub, it's still plenty powerful.

Now do it in that pug nosed revolver and you got 10 shots or so of a highly capable cartridge, in a package that's no bigger than a Glock 19.

 

[Palladan44]

Would be cool, in fact one of the reasons for the 327 Federal Mag. was to get 6 shots out of a J-frame rather than 5....so what youre saying is to make an N frame with 10 shots....
How about a K- frame with 7 or 8, or an L-frame with 9?
I don't see why the 327 wouldn't be the ideal CCW revolver, with say a 3" barrel.....if you don't mind on being deaf after you need to use it

 

[Mizar]

Now, imagine how many of those little buggers you can stick in an X-frame...

 

[Palladan44]

Now, imagine how many of those little buggers you can stick in an X-frame...

You could have twin barrels and have a "double stacked" cylinder.

 

[BigBlue 94]

Now, imagine how many of those little buggers you can stick in an X-frame...

For your perusal...

A 357mag in a 500 sw x-frame cylinder

 

[Armybrat]

I like my SP101 just fine with its 6 rounds of .327.

 

[KarateHottie93]

Now, imagine how many of those little buggers you can stick in an X-frame...

Honestly, a long barrel X frame in 327 would be incredibly fun. That would make me want an even more powerful 32 round with insane ballistics though.

 

[adcoch1]

Honestly, a long barrel X frame in 327 would be incredibly fun. That would make me want an even more powerful 32 round with insane ballistics though.

How about a BFR in 30-30? JK of course...

 

[BigBlue 94]

How about a BFR in 30-30? JK of course...

30 herrett would be better, as it was designed for 10" barrels!

The x-frame is so massive that a 327/32 H&R would probably be like shooting a 22LR single six. My x-frame dwarfs even my 44 mag Virginia Dragoon.

I have a single six in 32 H&R. I absolutely love it. Perfect handling, mild recoil, and a hot little round

 

[ThomasT]

Obviously it will never happen because 327 is a dead round, but it would be great.

I wonder if anyone told the 327 it was dead. On another forum a poster posted photos of his local gun store and there was a big stack of 327 on the shelf. So it must still have some life left in it. I don't have one and don't want a 327. My three 32 mags are good enough for me. And for some reason the factories only want to load high dollar SD rounds. They seem to have missed the fact that the 327 with the right loads makes a dandy field and trail gun.

Thats why I reload. I can make the rounds the factories refuse to make. You should see my 32 mag ammo selection.

 

[UncleEd]

Sometimes I think new calibers, revised old
calibers, tweaked calibers in existence are
all part of manufacturers knowing it's a way
to sell more guns.

And the ammo makers may love it because
they have more opportunities to create
super premium (as in pricing) specialty
calibers.

 

[adcoch1]

I have a single six in 32 H&R. I absolutely love it. Perfect handling, mild recoil, and a hot little round

This I want....

I'd love to have a Webley sized h&r 999 9 shot in 327 or even 32 h&r. It would be so cool. Little cartridges in bigger revolvers are really cool.

 

[Gordon]

how about 12 rounds and one barrel ?

 

[Barry the Bear]

how about 12 rounds and one barrel ?

I still want that Astra that Clooney used in that movie.

 

[Gordon]

Astra Terminator ! Available in .45 Colt or .44 Mag

 

[silicosys4]

I still want that Astra that Clooney used in that movie.

they are pretty nice guns, of surprisingly high quality.

 

[mcb]

Engineer's ramblings...

Unfortunately even starting with the 8-shot N-frame (as opposed to a 6-shot N-frame) you can only get 9 rounds of 327 Mag. 10 shots would result in only ~.014 inch between chambers walls and the rims would be interfering with each other badly. When S&W went for the original 6-shot N-frame to the 8-shot N-frame they moved the barrel up in the frame ~.032 inch. To get 10rds of 327 Mag you would need to move the barrel up another ~.030-.040 inch. The only draw back to doing that is the barrel shank is getting pretty thin even for the smaller bore diameter of 327 Mag.

The funny thing is 10rds in an X-frame does not work either without moving the barrel up in the frame. The circle passing through the center of the chambers on an X-frame is only slightly larger in diameter than the cicle going through the center of the chambers of an 8-shot N-frame (N: 1.162" vs X: 1.180") , and that is not enough to keep the rims from interfering with each other. If you move the barrel way up in theory you can get 11 maybe even 12 rounds of 327 Mag in an X-frame cylinder but I am not sure you would have enough barrel shank left to make it work in reality.

8-shots works nicely on the L-frame with no major changes to the frame.

7-shots works nice in a K-frame and would make the forcing cone thick enough that the forcing cone cracking problem seen with 357 Mag would probably not be an issue for 327 Mag.

We all know 6-shot in a J-frame has already been done.

 

[Gordon]

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they are pretty nice guns, of surprisingly high quality.

They are, certainly the 70-80s Astra Large frame guns were not "Spanish junk" , the 6" barreled one I recently traded for a custom Blackhawk was every bit as nicely done as post 90s S&Ws IMHO.

 

[KarateHottie93]

Engineer's ramblings...

Unfortunately even starting with the 8-shot N-frame (as opposed to a 6-shot N-frame) you can only get 9 rounds of 327 Mag. 10 shots would result in only ~.014 inch between chambers walls and the rims would be interfering with each other badly. When S&W went for the original 6-shot N-frame to the 8-shot N-frame they moved the barrel up in the frame ~.032 inch. To get 10rds of 327 Mag you would need to move the barrel up another ~.030-.040 inch. The only draw back to doing that is the barrel shank is getting pretty thin even for the smaller bore diameter of 327 Mag.

The funny thing is 10rds in an X-frame does not work either without moving the barrel up in the frame. The circle passing through the center of the chambers on an X-frame is only slightly larger in diameter than the cicle going through the center of the chambers of an 8-shot N-frame (N: 1.162" vs X: 1.180") , and that is not enough to keep the rims from interfering with each other. If you move the barrel way up in theory you can get 11 maybe even 12 rounds of 327 Mag in an X-frame cylinder but I am not sure you would have enough barrel shank left to make it work in reality.

8-shots works nicely on the L-frame with no major changes to the frame.

7-shots works nice in a K-frame and would make the forcing cone thick enough that the forcing cone cracking problem seen with 357 Mag would probably not be an issue for 327 Mag.

We all know 6-shot in a J-frame has already been done.

Well my dreams are dead. 9 works if they can find a way to give me +1 in a revolver.

 

[BigBlue 94]

The funny thing is 10rds in an X-frame does not work either without moving the barrel up in the frame

Great point. But if you kept the top of the barrel in the same spot relative to the top of the frame, the bore would automatically rise about .085" due to bore size differences, no? Not like the 32 would need a 500 sized barrel.

 

[Dave T]

Doesn't anyone see something wrong with a revolver as large as the S&W X-frame shooting 32 caliber (actually 30 cal) cartridges? I bloody well wouldn't carry one, anywhere. But then there are many paths to handgun happiness. Oh well...

Dave

 

[BigBlue 94]

Doesn't anyone see something wrong with a revolver as large as the S&W X-frame shooting 32 caliber (actually 30 cal) cartridges? I bloody well wouldn't carry one, anywhere. But then there are many paths to handgun happiness. Oh well...

Dave

Yeah but what other platform works as well as a club when you run out of bullets???

Lol this thread makes me think of this

 

[mcb]

Great point. But if you kept the top of the barrel in the same spot relative to the top of the frame, the bore would automatically rise about .085" due to bore size differences, no? Not like the 32 would need a 500 sized barrel.

You certainly could but from a manufacturing simplicity point of view they usually make the barrel shank the same diameter and thread for a given frame size, that way they use the same frame without changes for all the calibers in that frame size. ie the 35 cal, 40 cal, 41 cal, 44 cal, and 45 cal barrels for the 6-shot N-frame are all the same outside diameter and same thread so they can all utilize the same frame.

The creation of the 627/8-shot N-frame (and later the 327, R8, 929) was the first time in recent years that S&W made two different frames on the same frame size by moving the barrel up and using a slightly smaller diameter barrel shank. There is no reason they could not do it again with the X-frame but they would have to be fairly confident they were going to sell a bunch to justify the new setup/tooling.

If we did move the barrel up .085 (Bolt Circle from 1.18 to 1.35) we could get 11 rounds of 327 Mag in the X-frame fairly easily.

Doesn't anyone see something wrong with a revolver as large as the S&W X-frame shooting 32 caliber (actually 30 cal) cartridges? I bloody well wouldn't carry one, anywhere. But then there are many paths to handgun happiness. Oh well...

Dave

We don't balk at a K-frame with 10 shots of 22 LR, This is just an upsized version of that.

What about this, an aluminum X-frame with a light profile barrel , slightly shorter cylinder, and 11 maybe 12 rounds a 327 Magnum.

For that matter I think I would like a 9-shot aluminum N-frame in 327 Mag, especially if I have a nice Win 92 in 327 Mag to go with it and a good set of ear plugs.

 

[Mizar]

Doesn't anyone see something wrong with a revolver as large as the S&W X-frame shooting 32 caliber (actually 30 cal) cartridges? I bloody well wouldn't carry one, anywhere. But then there are many paths to handgun happiness. Oh well...

My point exactly... I mentioned X frame to simply try to point out the ridiculousness of the whole idea.

 

[LoonWulf]

How about a BFR in 30-30? JK of course...

32 win special.....