Am I More Accurate than My Uniflow? Nope!

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entropy said:
Try this; instead of relying on the dipper to be perfectly on charge, use the dipper that is one below your charge weight. Have the scale set to the desired charge weight. Throw one full dipper in the pan. Refill the dipper. Slowly trickle in (kind of like salting food with a spoon, but more gently) the amount needed to zero out the scale. If you go over, scoop a bit out and repeat the process until the scale zeros.
If you can't beat any mechanical powder measure using this method, that's on you.
Is it fast? No. But it is the most accurate method I know of, and with practice, speed can improve.
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Thanks, but that post wasn’t intended to describe my process fully. You’ll see from other posts I’ve already got you covered.
 
I have a big static problem with my dippers. Powder sticks all over them, adding to the inconsistency and mess.
How do you all get rid of the static on the plastic dipper? I've rubbed them with a used dryer sheet and that helped but a little.
 
WeekendReloader said:
I have a big static problem with my dippers. Powder sticks all over them, adding to the inconsistency and mess.
How do you all get rid of the static on the plastic dipper? I've rubbed them with a used dryer sheet and that helped but a little.
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Sometimes I do and sometimes I don’t. How’s that for helpful?

I only use one dipper so it’s all coated with powder residue from heavy use which typically eliminates the static although I sometimes see a flake “dancing” on the outside of the scoop or stem.

When I first started using it I rubbed it in graphite.

Lee says washing stuff in dish soap, not rinsing (actually not sure about this part), and letting it air dry reduces static. Not sure if that applies to scoops but it’s like chicken soap—can’t hurt.
 
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That makes sense now, but I am on my third cup of coffee.:)

CQB45ACP said:
@Smokin Gator mentioned loading 10s of thousands of rounds of handgun ammo and couldn’t imagine doing it with a trickler. I couldn’t imagine loading that amount regardless the method.
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I couldn't either when I started 4 1/2 years ago, but now I see it's easily doable. I keep a log book of every round I've loaded since I started, and track how many rounds I've loaded. I'm currently around 3200 rounds loaded, all done on my SS press and every charge weighed.

chris
 
ballman6711 said:
That makes sense now, but I am on my third cup of coffee.:)



I couldn't either when I started 4 1/2 years ago, but now I see it's easily doable. I keep a log book of every round I've loaded since I started, and track how many rounds I've loaded. I'm currently around 3200 rounds loaded, all done on my SS press and every charge weighed.

chris
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Well sure if it’s over time…I’ve earned $ millions over my lifetime too, but can’t seem to find it now:)

I have about 3000 45ACP and 2000 9mm loaded right now. But that’s over several years loading, shooting, replacing, etc.

Before the pandemic, I went to the range twice/wk shooting several hundred rounds each visit. So I loaded in 50 to 100 round increments a couple times/wk to keep pace

Now, I go just twice/month, shooting a couple hundred, load exclusively with dippers, and do it a magazine at a time (8 rds), mostly every day to stay in “tune”.

I batch load with a SS for 9mm & manual turret for 45ACP.

But I’ve never logged anything. I’m just not that disciplined.

Just finished my 3rd cup so I’m done.
 
ballman6711 said:
Virginia has some interesting critters too, I know, because I've seen them.

I worked at the Lowe's next to Cabela's in Gainesville for several years. We had a guy that worked there that had a brain tumor, and was basically in the final stages of his life. Great guy, strong and smart, but slow because of the tumor. One night he asked if I could identify a snake that he had caught in the store, because he wanted to give it to his kids as a pet and wanted to be able to tell them all about it. He had reached down and grabbed it with a gloved hand and put it in a water bottle, and punched holes in the bottle so it wouldn't suffocate. When I looked at the snake it was a baby rattler, with just a button on the tail, maybe 8 inches long or so. I don't know where it came from or how it got into the store, but it was a rattler. Diamond/triangular shaped head with diamond markings on the body, gray in color, and a button on the tail.

We also used to find Black Widow spiders all the time. I almost grabbed one when I picked up a board one day. I know that their fangs are too short to penetrate a healthy adults skin (usually) but didn't want to be a test subject. And all those little spider webs you see covered in dew on the grass in the morning? Those are Black Widow webs.

Sorry for the Hijack, but when it went off topic and the OP responded, I thought I would chime in.

chris
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Was in Gainesville yesterday! What a zoo. Looks like Tysons Corner! We went to Blue ridge seafood and the Bone for carry out.

They’ve now finished the RT 66 express lanes to Gainesville so even more traffic can get their faster.
 
CQB45ACP said:
Was in Gainesville yesterday! What a zoo. Looks like Tysons Corner! We went to Blue ridge seafood and the Bone for carry out.

They’ve now finished the RT 66 express lanes to Gainesville so even more traffic can get there faster.
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Which Gainesville is that? Definitely not the one in Florida.
 
CQB45ACP said:
I can’t either, but why would one load “10s of thousands” with anything? That’s what I can’t imagine even more. Enlighten me please.
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Shooters who regularly shoot USPSA or other action shooting sports can go through a lot of ammo. I often shoot 3 matches a month, about 175 rounds per match, plus practice a little. I also go to larger matches that require 300 rounds or so. Granted, the last couple of years with the lack of primers or the high cost of them when available has slowed down participation for some.
Some shooters in the past would shoot 30 to 50 thousand rounds per year practicing to get much better. I've never shot that amount myself. Partly because of the recent high cost competitors are doing more dry fire practice. I am primarily talking about loading for handguns although some 3 gun shooters load a lot of .223 as well.
For a smaller amount of ammo trying to be super precise for ultimate accuracy of course you want to get as accurate amount of powder as you can.
 
Smokin Gator said:
Shooters who regularly shoot USPSA or other action shooting sports can go through a lot of ammo. I often shoot 3 matches a month, about 175 rounds per match, plus practice a little. I also go to larger matches that require 300 rounds or so. Granted, the last couple of years with the lack of primers or the high cost of them when available has slowed down participation for some.
Some shooters in the past would shoot 30 to 50 thousand rounds per year practicing to get much better. I've never shot that amount myself. Partly because of the recent high cost competitors are doing more dry fire practice. I am primarily talking about loading for handguns although some 3 gun shooters load a lot of .223 as well.
For a smaller amount of ammo trying to be super precise for ultimate accuracy of course you want to get as accurate amount of powder as you can.
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Okay thanks so we are talking about over the course of some time. I know a couple who said they used to go through 50K/year. They buy their ammo. I can’t imagine THAT!

Pre-pandemic I was easily on pace to load 10K/year and with a dipper.

I can’t see a likely scenario where I would change my loading habits due to an increase in volume because I doubt my hands could take shooting that much. But that’s me. I like the zen of dipping.

Cheers
 
With handgun ammo a good powder measure should drop accurately enough for anything with the exception of maybe top level bullseye competitors. I do check my measure before each session by dropping 10 loads and weighing that on a triple beam scale.I load some 45-70 and did use a scale and trickler to confirm the weights. Loaded 250 rounds earlier this year. For handgun competition I load 9mm, 40 S&W and 45acp. I also load some 44 special and magnums, 44 Russian, 45 Colt and 38 special. Just a few hundred at a time for the revolver ammo. Also 44-40 for rifle.
 
Myth busting/confirming time! :)

CQB45ACP said:
On another thread regarding Lee dippers, I made the claim/assertion I was as accurate using a Lee dipper as was my Uniflow throwing charges.
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I just did a very informal, non-scientific, subjective and brief "myth busting/confirming" of using Lee dippers.

0.5 cc dipper was used for W231/HP-38 and Bullseye pistol powders and 1.6 cc dipper was used for H335/BL-C(2) rifle powders using both forward scoop and reverse scoop with light tapping. Several scoopings were made until charges became consistent:

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I didn't need to bring out the higher resolution analytical/lab/Creedmoor Sports digital scales and this WAOAW scale with higher resolution and detection (Down to .08 gr) than my Ohaus 10-10/RCBS 5-0-5 (Soon Dillon Eliminator) was more than sufficient.

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W231/HP-38 - Forward scoop and light tap using 0.5 cc scoop:
  1. 5.2 gr
  2. 5.1
  3. 5.1
  4. 5.2
  5. 5.1
  6. 5.2
  7. 5.2
  8. 5.1
  9. 5.1
  10. 5.2
W231/HP-38 - Reverse scoop and light tap using 0.5 cc scoop:
  1. 5.1 gr
  2. 5.1
  3. 5.1
  4. 5.1
  5. 5.1
  6. 5.2
  7. 5.1
  8. 5.1
  9. 5.1
  10. 5.1
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Bullseye - Forward scoop and light tap using 0.5 cc scoop:
  1. 4.5 gr
  2. 4.5
  3. 4.5
  4. 4.6
  5. 4.5
  6. 4.6
  7. 4.5
  8. 4.5
  9. 4.5
  10. 4.5
Bullseye - Reverse scoop and light tap using 0.5 cc scoop:
  1. 4.6 gr
  2. 4.7
  3. 4.4
  4. 4.4
  5. 4.6
  6. 4.6
  7. 4.4
  8. 4.4
  9. 4.4
  10. 4.5
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H335 - Forward scoop and light tap using 1.6 cc scoop:
  1. 25.5 gr
  2. 25.6
  3. 25.6
  4. 25.6
  5. 25.6
  6. 25.7
  7. 25.6
  8. 25.5
  9. 25.6
  10. 25.4
H335 - Reverse scoop and light tap using 1.6 cc scoop:
  1. 25.4 gr
  2. 25.3
  3. 25.5
  4. 25.4
  5. 25.6
  6. 25.4
  7. 25.3
  8. 25.2
  9. 25.3
  10. 25.4
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BL-C(2) - Forward scoop and light tap using 1.6 cc scoop:
  1. 24.1 gr
  2. 24.1
  3. 24.2
  4. 24.1
  5. 24.0
  6. 24.2
  7. 24.2
  8. 24.1
  9. 24.2
  10. 24.1
BL-C(2) - Reverse scoop and light tap using 1.6 cc scoop:
  1. 23.5 gr
  2. 23.4
  3. 23.6
  4. 23.4
  5. 23.6
  6. 23.6
  7. 23.6
  8. 23.6
  9. 23.6
  10. 23.6
 

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ballman6711 said:
I expected so much more from you! :rofl:
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I will do better next time. :p

Must be the drizzly rainy days ... Must focus ... Must focus. :D

Seriously, as promised, FCD myth busting/confirming coming up next ... Stand by. :)

And keep in mind that this "informal" testing was done with small granule/flake/ball powders that meter very well.
 
LiveLife said:
Myth busting/confirming time! :)


I just did a very informal, non-scientific, subjective and brief "myth busting/confirming" of using Lee dippers.

0.5 cc dipper was used for W231/HP-38 and Bullseye pistol powders and 1.6 cc dipper was used for H335/BL-C(2) rifle powders using both forward scoop and reverse scoop with light tapping. Several scoopings were made until charges became consistent:

index.php


I didn't need to bring out the higher resolution analytical/lab/Creedmoor Sports digital scales and this WAOAW scale with higher resolution and detection (Down to .08 gr) than my Ohaus 10-10/RCBS 5-0-5 (Soon Dillon Eliminator) was more than sufficient.

index.php


W231/HP-38 - Forward scoop and light tap using 0.5 cc scoop:
  1. 5.2 gr
  2. 5.1
  3. 5.1
  4. 5.2
  5. 5.1
  6. 5.2
  7. 5.2
  8. 5.1
  9. 5.1
  10. 5.2
W231/HP-38 - Reverse scoop and light tap using 0.5 cc scoop:
  1. 5.1 gr
  2. 5.1
  3. 5.1
  4. 5.1
  5. 5.1
  6. 5.2
  7. 5.1
  8. 5.1
  9. 5.1
  10. 5.1
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Bullseye - Forward scoop and light tap using 0.5 cc scoop:
  1. 4.5 gr
  2. 4.5
  3. 4.5
  4. 4.6
  5. 4.5
  6. 4.6
  7. 4.5
  8. 4.5
  9. 4.5
  10. 4.5
Bullseye - Reverse scoop and light tap using 0.5 cc scoop:
  1. 4.6 gr
  2. 4.7
  3. 4.4
  4. 4.4
  5. 4.6
  6. 4.6
  7. 4.4
  8. 4.4
  9. 4.4
  10. 4.5
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H335 - Forward scoop and light tap using 1.6 cc scoop:
  1. 25.5 gr
  2. 25.6
  3. 25.6
  4. 25.6
  5. 25.6
  6. 25.7
  7. 25.6
  8. 25.5
  9. 25.6
  10. 25.4
H335 - Reverse scoop and light tap using 1.6 cc scoop:
  1. 25.4 gr
  2. 25.3
  3. 25.5
  4. 25.4
  5. 25.6
  6. 25.4
  7. 25.3
  8. 25.2
  9. 25.3
  10. 25.4
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BL-C(2) - Forward scoop and light tap using 1.6 cc scoop:
  1. 24.1 gr
  2. 24.1
  3. 24.2
  4. 24.1
  5. 24.0
  6. 24.2
  7. 24.2
  8. 24.1
  9. 24.2
  10. 24.1
BL-C(2) - Reverse scoop and light tap using 1.6 cc scoop:
  1. 23.5 gr
  2. 23.4
  3. 23.6
  4. 23.4
  5. 23.6
  6. 23.6
  7. 23.6
  8. 23.6
  9. 23.6
  10. 23.6
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Nice
 
Those are great results with the scoops if you can get where you want to be. I scoop with black powder. But it's much more dependent on the diligence of the person scooping then when using a powder drop. With a standard powder measure you still have to be consistent with your technique moving the handle.
 
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