Ask about the backups of those systems - what's the backup schedule, what's the retention of the backups? I think they've got every entry ever made into that system somewhere. It might not be "live" data, but it exists on backup media and could be pulled in to massage.
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Ask about the backups of those systems - what's the backup schedule, what's the retention of the backups? I think they've got every entry ever made into that system somewhere. It might not be "live" data, but it exists on backup media and could be pulled in to massage.
Gordon Fink
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Rufus Pisanus said:
What do you think happens to all those 4473s?
~G. Fink
Bubbles
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National Safety Council - How Many Children Are Killed by Guns?
Children Killed by Guns
How many children are killed by guns is a complicated question. The answer depends on a number of factors, including age range, and whether homicide, suicide, and/or unintentional-injuries are included in the figure.
If the age range is 0-19 years, and homicide, suicide, and unintentional injuries are included, then the total firearms-related deaths for 1999 is 3,385 . This is equivalent to about 9 deaths per day, a figure commonly used by journalists.
The 3,385 firearms-related deaths for age group 0-19 years breaks down to 214 unintentional, 1,078 suicides, 1,990 homicides, 83 for which the intent could not be determined, and 20 due to legal intervention.
Viewed by age group, 73 of the total firearms-related deaths were of children under 5 years old, 416 were children 5-14 years old, and 2,896 were 15-19 years old.
See page 127 of the 2002 edition of Injury Facts®.
NSC Accidental Gunshot Stats
By Alan Hoskin
Manager, Research and Statistics, National Safety Council
May 2000
Q. Of all accidental injuries/deaths, what percent are caused by accidental gunshot? Also, what percent of childhood injuries/deaths are caused by gunshot?
A. There is a lot of confusion about the number of deaths and injuries associated with firearms; especially with regard to children. This is true in part because various writers do not define what they mean by "children," i.e., what age range they include. It is also sometimes not made clear whether the writer is including unintentional injuries, suicide, homicide, or all three.
The National Safety Council analyzed the most recent death certificate data (1997), and found that there were 95,644 total unintentional-injury deaths of which 981 (1.0%) were due to unintentional firearms injuries. For children under 5 years old, there were 20 unintentional firearms deaths which accounted for 0.7% of all unintentional-injury deaths in that age group. Among those 5 to 9 years old, there were 28 unintentional firearms deaths; 1.8% of all unintentional-injury deaths. For 10 to 14 year olds, 94 unintentional firearms deaths were 5.1% of total unintentional-injury deaths. And for older teens, 15-19 years old, there were 164 unintentional firearms deaths; 2.5% of all unintentional-injury deaths.
Data on nonfatal injuries associated with firearms is somewhat more difficult to obtain. A 1995 study by Annest, Mercy, Gibson and Ryan found that for each unintentional firearms death there were about 12.8 nonfatal injuries. For homicides the ratio was about 3.3 nonfatal injuries per death and for suicides about 0.3 nonfatal injuries per death. Another study by Sinauer, Annest and Mercy (1996) estimated 34,485 persons were treated for unintentional, nonfatal firearm-related injuries in US emergency departments during the two-year period June 1, 1992, through May 31, 1994. They estimated that 2,906 (8.4%) of these cases involved children 0 to 14 years old.
It is also informative to note how firearms-related deaths are distributed by intentionality. Total firearms deaths in 1997 numbered 32,166 (excluding 270 legal intervention deaths). Of this total, only 981, or 3.0%, were unintentional (accidental); 54.6% (17,566) were suicide and 41.2% (13,252) were homicide. Another 367 deaths were categorized as "undetermined intent" which means that the coroner or medical examiner could not determine whether the death was homicide, suicide, or unintentional.
References
Annest, J.L., Mercy, J.A., Gibson, D.R., & Ryan, G.W. (1995). National estimates of nonfatal firearms-related injuries. Journal of the American Medical Association, 273(22), 1749-1754.
Sinauer, N., Annest, J.L., & Mercy, J.A. (1996). Unintentional, nonfatal firearm-related injuries: A preventable public health burden. Journal of the American Medical Association, 275(22), 1740-1743.
Children Killed by Guns
How many children are killed by guns is a complicated question. The answer depends on a number of factors, including age range, and whether homicide, suicide, and/or unintentional-injuries are included in the figure.
If the age range is 0-19 years, and homicide, suicide, and unintentional injuries are included, then the total firearms-related deaths for 1999 is 3,385 . This is equivalent to about 9 deaths per day, a figure commonly used by journalists.
The 3,385 firearms-related deaths for age group 0-19 years breaks down to 214 unintentional, 1,078 suicides, 1,990 homicides, 83 for which the intent could not be determined, and 20 due to legal intervention.
Viewed by age group, 73 of the total firearms-related deaths were of children under 5 years old, 416 were children 5-14 years old, and 2,896 were 15-19 years old.
See page 127 of the 2002 edition of Injury Facts®.
NSC Accidental Gunshot Stats
By Alan Hoskin
Manager, Research and Statistics, National Safety Council
May 2000
Q. Of all accidental injuries/deaths, what percent are caused by accidental gunshot? Also, what percent of childhood injuries/deaths are caused by gunshot?
A. There is a lot of confusion about the number of deaths and injuries associated with firearms; especially with regard to children. This is true in part because various writers do not define what they mean by "children," i.e., what age range they include. It is also sometimes not made clear whether the writer is including unintentional injuries, suicide, homicide, or all three.
The National Safety Council analyzed the most recent death certificate data (1997), and found that there were 95,644 total unintentional-injury deaths of which 981 (1.0%) were due to unintentional firearms injuries. For children under 5 years old, there were 20 unintentional firearms deaths which accounted for 0.7% of all unintentional-injury deaths in that age group. Among those 5 to 9 years old, there were 28 unintentional firearms deaths; 1.8% of all unintentional-injury deaths. For 10 to 14 year olds, 94 unintentional firearms deaths were 5.1% of total unintentional-injury deaths. And for older teens, 15-19 years old, there were 164 unintentional firearms deaths; 2.5% of all unintentional-injury deaths.
Data on nonfatal injuries associated with firearms is somewhat more difficult to obtain. A 1995 study by Annest, Mercy, Gibson and Ryan found that for each unintentional firearms death there were about 12.8 nonfatal injuries. For homicides the ratio was about 3.3 nonfatal injuries per death and for suicides about 0.3 nonfatal injuries per death. Another study by Sinauer, Annest and Mercy (1996) estimated 34,485 persons were treated for unintentional, nonfatal firearm-related injuries in US emergency departments during the two-year period June 1, 1992, through May 31, 1994. They estimated that 2,906 (8.4%) of these cases involved children 0 to 14 years old.
It is also informative to note how firearms-related deaths are distributed by intentionality. Total firearms deaths in 1997 numbered 32,166 (excluding 270 legal intervention deaths). Of this total, only 981, or 3.0%, were unintentional (accidental); 54.6% (17,566) were suicide and 41.2% (13,252) were homicide. Another 367 deaths were categorized as "undetermined intent" which means that the coroner or medical examiner could not determine whether the death was homicide, suicide, or unintentional.
References
Annest, J.L., Mercy, J.A., Gibson, D.R., & Ryan, G.W. (1995). National estimates of nonfatal firearms-related injuries. Journal of the American Medical Association, 273(22), 1749-1754.
Sinauer, N., Annest, J.L., & Mercy, J.A. (1996). Unintentional, nonfatal firearm-related injuries: A preventable public health burden. Journal of the American Medical Association, 275(22), 1740-1743.
Thin Black Line
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Last I checked 18 & 19 year olds were not children and that is the age when
the majority of those deaths happen.
the majority of those deaths happen.
My Dr. of close to five years has never asked me if I had a gun. She found out in June when she told me take off my shirt and get on the table. Normally I leave it in the trunk but I figured it was going to be a quick look see and I'd be in and out in 10 minutes or less. I wasn't expecting her to do the minor surgical procedure that day and figured she was going to reschedule me for another day. She took a look and said get your shirt off and hop up on the table. Well I pulled my polo shirt off then undid my belt and slid the holstered Browning HP off the belt and laid it on a chair along with my shirt. She didn't see at a first since I was facing her and the gun was slightly back and sitting at about 5 O'clock on me. She and the 20 something nurse looked at it (eyes got big 
) but neither said a word.
I was on that table for at least an hour while she stabbed me several times and then sliced and diced me. She never asked me about the gun or at my follow up appointment. All it did was make me like her that much more.
There are only about 5 or 6 guy patients going to her and the other 99% are women. Got to love a good looking married women doctor that is smart enough to staff her office with additional hotties who know how to massage a guys ego. 
Her staff is almost all married and they go out of their way to be extra nice to the male patients. I see how they treat me compared to the women that are waiting. I'm figuring the guys are her least P.I.T.A. patients. The reason I say male patients is my buddy that pointed me to her says he is also treated extra nice by her and the staff.
) but neither said a word. I was on that table for at least an hour while she stabbed me several times and then sliced and diced me. She never asked me about the gun or at my follow up appointment. All it did was make me like her that much more.
There are only about 5 or 6 guy patients going to her and the other 99% are women. Got to love a good looking married women doctor that is smart enough to staff her office with additional hotties who know how to massage a guys ego. Her staff is almost all married and they go out of their way to be extra nice to the male patients. I see how they treat me compared to the women that are waiting. I'm figuring the guys are her least P.I.T.A. patients. The reason I say male patients is my buddy that pointed me to her says he is also treated extra nice by her and the staff.Rufus Pisanus
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I have no way of knowing for sure but the dealers' information is available when trying to solve a crime. The records are supposed to be destroyed by BATF after a short period of time. They were not under Klinton but I believe BATF was asked to do it by Bush. Klinton's BATF had even started getting information from dealers unrelated to crimes and Valley Guns here in Baltimore refused to provide that information. In the resulting lawsuit they won. BATF is not authorized to retain records, if they do it's illegal (but clearly it helps to have the right president for this.)
Gordon Fink
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Sorry, Rufus, but you’re thinking about the NICS data. Licensed dealers must hold copies of their completed forms 4473 for at least 20 years. When a dealer goes out of business, his remaining 4473s must be turned into the BATFE.
De facto gun registration.
But, as I’ve said, mass confiscation of firearms is a completely unnecessary step in the disarmament process, so we needn’t waste much worry on it.
~G. Fink
De facto gun registration.
But, as I’ve said, mass confiscation of firearms is a completely unnecessary step in the disarmament process, so we needn’t waste much worry on it.
~G. Fink
bamawrx
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Man you guys need a new freeking doctor! You can vote with your feet and dollars, so go find a gunnie dr. They are out there.
Rufus Pisanus
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Yes Gordon, I forgot that when they go out of business they must ship the whole thing...well we should work hard to keep them all in business!
Standing Wolf
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My answer would be: "Of course I own guns: my life is worth defending. Isn't yours?"
Rufus Pisanus
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Well, out there in Alabama may be, but they are quite rare in the Baltimore area... as an example at a large pediatrician office that I use for my kids (6-7 doctors) they are all anti-gun (or so they say). They even have a poster encouraging parents to bring up issues they have, things like: domestic violence, alcholism, drug addiction, firearms in the house...
I am not going to drop a very good doctor for that but I think that whether or not I have guns in my house is my own
business...- Status
